India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

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Re: India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

Post by klr » Mon May 23, 2011 11:26 pm

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.. and placing a higher value on women as their numbers in society fall.
I've always thought that surely this will happen.. all these sons to be proud of and no wives to carry on the lineage..?
Old habits will die very hard indeed, but yes, it will take a whole generation or two of men who can't carry on the family line before these societies finally get to grips with the problem they've created. The more ingrained the custom and practice, the harder the lesson it will take.
You think so? They've been ditching females for centuries...before abortion, they would just drown them, bury them, or sell them into slavery. Of course the females that survive can still give birth to more female babies, but somehow I don't think it will create that much of a problem in generations to come. Men will just go out of the country to find a mate.
Yes, but they've never been able to do it on an industrial scale like this. Our own societies may not have been so different to those of China and India hundreds of years ago, but we mostly grew out of this obsession before it got combined with technology and ran amok. Lucky us.

When you combine it with the one child policy in China, it's even worse, because what it means in practice for many Chinese families is one son and nothing more. If the first child is a son, then many families will stop there. If it's a daughter, they'll try again for a son if they can. No wonder the M:F ratio has risen to 1.3 in parts of rural China.
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Post by Robert_S » Mon May 23, 2011 11:50 pm

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Re: India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

Post by charlou » Tue May 24, 2011 12:58 am

klr wrote:
Millefleur wrote:
.. and placing a higher value on women as their numbers in society fall.
I've always thought that surely this will happen.. all these sons to be proud of and no wives to carry on the lineage..?
Old habits will die very hard indeed, but yes, it will take a whole generation or two of men who can't carry on the family line before these societies finally get to grips with the problem they've created. The more ingrained the custom and practice, the harder the lesson it will take.
Further "commodifying" females, no doubt.
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Re: India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

Post by CP » Tue May 24, 2011 2:31 am

Millefleur wrote:
.. and placing a higher value on women as their numbers in society fall.
I've always thought that surely this will happen.. all these sons to be proud of and no wives to carry on the lineage..?
I see it promoting gang rape, female trafficking and violence.

I know some people are suggesting implementing polyandry to combat the problem. I don't think that's going to gain footing, but I don't really know much about the situation.
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Re: India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

Post by Warren Dew » Tue May 24, 2011 5:40 am

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.. and placing a higher value on women as their numbers in society fall.
I've always thought that surely this will happen.. all these sons to be proud of and no wives to carry on the lineage..?
Unfortunately history doesn't bear this out. The tendency is for greater equality when the proportion of women to men rises closer to one, not when it is lower.

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Re: India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

Post by FBM » Tue May 24, 2011 6:01 am

A decade or so ago, they had to make it illegal for a doctor to reveal the gender of the fetus to the parents because of the number of aborted females. Just earlier this year, there was a story about how Koreans now favor having girls over boys. The times they are a'changin'.
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Re: India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue May 24, 2011 6:06 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Millefleur wrote:
.. and placing a higher value on women as their numbers in society fall.
I've always thought that surely this will happen.. all these sons to be proud of and no wives to carry on the lineage..?
Unfortunately history doesn't bear this out. The tendency is for greater equality when the proportion of women to men rises closer to one, not when it is lower.
I wonder if the solution is to go to war with neighbouring 'states/religions/castes' so to steal their women - does seem a bit a primitive but your dealing with human beings not rational optimisers. The mass rape of hindu women by muslims following the Lalgarh uprising is well documented.
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Re: India's missing millions of girls (and China's too)

Post by Robert_S » Tue May 24, 2011 7:50 am

FBM wrote:A decade or so ago, they had to make it illegal for a doctor to reveal the gender of the fetus to the parents because of the number of aborted females. Just earlier this year, there was a story about how Koreans now favor having girls over boys. The times they are a'changin'.
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