You Don't Bring Super Sonic Missiles to a Gun Fight

[Coito ergo sum]

Rum, that unit was probably up in the Gulf and was sortied down there to support operations. It's a quick run from the Straits to Somali waters.

You don't get the idea of guerrilla warfare, do you?

So...these Somali pirates ARE at war.

That's your position? Yes?

[Gawd]

Gawdzilla, don't you ever get embarrassed at the American way of doing things? This was an entire American naval fleet that was following a lowly yacht. One armed naval ship I can understand, but when you send in a whole fleet consisting of 10,000+ soldiers armed with super sonic missiles after a few guys on a low speed yacht with no where to go, it's just idiotic. No wonder a few groups of backyard pirates can take on the entire US Navy.

Well, you see, I'm not stupid, so I'm not surprised that they send a unit like that. It was in the area, it could handle any contingencies. Appalling asinine judgments of the situation happen when the speaker doesn't know a fucking thing about military operations and yet STILL INSISTS ON MAKING AN ASS OF THEMSELVES EXPOUNDING ON A TOPIC THEY'RE TOTALLY IGNORANT OF.

Sure, why don't you just send in a few more naval fleets into the area. You'll have the capability to protect 5 civilian boats at a time before draining the entire US Navy! What you don't understand is tactics and strategy. Just like in Vietnam, Americans don't know how to fight.

For a country that doesn't know how to fight, you sure claim we have a big enough "Empire."

Fuck, dude - make up your mind....are we an ineffectual, weak nation, or are we an Empire that rules most of the world?

Coming from a Muslim this "don't know how to fight" crack is a real laugher - you dipshits can't even conquer Israel, and you've been after it for over 60 years now! LOL.... what a joke! Remember that Six Day War? LOL.... Six Day War.... ya'll got your smellin' asses whooped as usual. The only thing a Muslim can fight is another Muslim - that's why you're good at rioting, and bombing the wrong kind of Muslim's mosques. Sunnis can kick the ass out of Shias, but let them go up against a real fighter and they go running into caves and start strapping bombs to their children.

What's your war cry again? "Looo looo loo looo loo!!! Loo looo loo looo!!!"

Why don't you fuckers roll another cripple off the back of a hijacked cruise ship or blow up another civilian airliner. Damn! You's battle tactics is amayzingggg!

America is ineffectual and weak. It's main weapon is Chinese money and throwing it.

And I'm not Muslim.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Rum, that unit was probably up in the Gulf and was sortied down there to support operations. It's a quick run from the Straits to Somali waters.

You don't get the idea of guerrilla warfare, do you?

So...these Somali pirates ARE at war.

That's your position? Yes?

Until he weasels into a new one. His goal posts got centipede genes.

[Gawd]

Rum, that unit was probably up in the Gulf and was sortied down there to support operations. It's a quick run from the Straits to Somali waters.

You don't get the idea of guerrilla warfare, do you?

So...these Somali pirates ARE at war.

That's your position? Yes?

Until he weasels into a new one. His goal posts got centipede genes.

I didn't say that the Somali pirates are at war, but rather they use guerrilla warfare tactics which Americans have no idea about or how to fight in.

[Gawd]

This was an entire American naval fleet that was following a lowly yacht. One armed naval ship I can understand, but when you send in a whole fleet consisting of 10,000+ soldiers armed with super sonic missiles after a few guys on a low speed yacht with no where to go, it's just idiotic. No wonder a few groups of backyard pirates can take on the entire US Navy.

The pirates "took on" four retirees from East Bumfuck Kansas and murdered two little old ladies and their decrepit husbands. That's what they "took on."

The pirates did no such thing. They "regretfully" shot them in self-dense after the retirees attacked them, just like how Israel "regretfully" shot the Gaza Flotilla activists. In case you don't get it, I'm mocking how Obama treated Israeli piracy.

Just like a Muslim -- take two unrelated events and draw a false equality by changing the facts of one so that they match the other. In other words - "lie."

That's what you folks do, isn't it? Lie to the Khafir? Right?

I don't give a fuck what you're mocking. Israel didn't engage in piracy. That's another thing your Muslim brain doesn't get. Israel enforcing a blockade is not piracy. Get the difference?

Your heroes shot four defenseless old people in cold blood. They didn't do it by accident, and they didn't do it "regretfully" and they were not attacked by the unarmed pensioners. They killed them mercilessly, in cold blood, just following the Imam's orders, I'm sure. Fatwa and all. Must obey, submission, ay what what.

I'm not Muslim.

And my analogy with Israel is very apt. The Jews sent by Israel engaged in piracy no matter how you try to spin it. They even did it in international waters. And those "pensioners" on that yacht obviously attacked and killed the two pirates found dead inside the boat. Therefore, the pirates were entirely justified in killing the "pensioners" if we go by Jewish Israeli and American logic.

[Seth]

Gawdzilla, don't you ever get embarrassed at the American way of doing things? This was an entire American naval fleet that was following a lowly yacht. One armed naval ship I can understand, but when you send in a whole fleet consisting of 10,000+ soldiers armed with super sonic missiles after a few guys on a low speed yacht with no where to go, it's just idiotic. No wonder a few groups of backyard pirates can take on the entire US Navy.

As was said moments ago, the carrier group was the closest American military force. A carrier battle group ALWAYS travels together. The various vessels have different roles, but their primary role is to protect the carrier, so they don't scatter, they remain in formation to thwart attacks on the carrier. All of the action took place from a single vessel, and the presence of the other vessels was incidental.

As for the deaths of the hostages, nothing can prevent terrorists or pirates from killing hostages. No military force on earth could have prevented what happened once the pirates started shooting. The hostages would have been fatally wounded in seconds, long before any surface force could have reached the yacht.

Things are different on a large oil tanker because SF troops can board the vessel covertly and take up positions that allow them to use overwhelming lethal force very quickly. That was simply not possible on the yacht. The pirates learned from the Maersk Alabama incident that getting within rifle-shot of a US military vessel is a fatal mistake, so they kept their distance deliberately, and there was no way for the SF troops to get within effective striking distance of the yacht in time to prevent the killings.

[Seth]

This was an entire American naval fleet that was following a lowly yacht. One armed naval ship I can understand, but when you send in a whole fleet consisting of 10,000+ soldiers armed with super sonic missiles after a few guys on a low speed yacht with no where to go, it's just idiotic. No wonder a few groups of backyard pirates can take on the entire US Navy.

The pirates "took on" four retirees from East Bumfuck Kansas and murdered two little old ladies and their decrepit husbands. That's what they "took on."

The pirates did no such thing. They "regretfully" shot them in self-dense after the retirees attacked them,

You have a direct link to the minds of the pirates, do you?

just like how Israel "regretfully" shot the Gaza Flotilla activists. In case you don't get it, I'm mocking how Obama treated Israeli piracy.

Israel didn't commit piracy, they lawfully boarded a foreign vessel entering their waters to inspect it for contraband, and the boarding party was attacked by the occupants of the ship, so they defended themselves.

[Gawd]

This was an entire American naval fleet that was following a lowly yacht. One armed naval ship I can understand, but when you send in a whole fleet consisting of 10,000+ soldiers armed with super sonic missiles after a few guys on a low speed yacht with no where to go, it's just idiotic. No wonder a few groups of backyard pirates can take on the entire US Navy.

The pirates "took on" four retirees from East Bumfuck Kansas and murdered two little old ladies and their decrepit husbands. That's what they "took on."

The pirates did no such thing. They "regretfully" shot them in self-dense after the retirees attacked them,

You have a direct link to the minds of the pirates, do you?

just like how Israel "regretfully" shot the Gaza Flotilla activists. In case you don't get it, I'm mocking how Obama treated Israeli piracy.

Israel didn't commit piracy, they lawfully boarded a foreign vessel entering their waters to inspect it for contraband, and the boarding party was attacked by the occupants of the ship, so they defended themselves.

Try again Seth, every news outlet and even the Israeli government acknowledge that they forcefully boarded and stole the Gaza Flotilla in international waters.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I didn't say that the Somali pirates are at war, but rather they use guerrilla warfare tactics which Americans have no idea about or how to fight in.

Yeah, right Mr. Clausewitzless.

[Seth]

This was an entire American naval fleet that was following a lowly yacht. One armed naval ship I can understand, but when you send in a whole fleet consisting of 10,000+ soldiers armed with super sonic missiles after a few guys on a low speed yacht with no where to go, it's just idiotic. No wonder a few groups of backyard pirates can take on the entire US Navy.

The pirates "took on" four retirees from East Bumfuck Kansas and murdered two little old ladies and their decrepit husbands. That's what they "took on."

The pirates did no such thing. They "regretfully" shot them in self-dense after the retirees attacked them,

You have a direct link to the minds of the pirates, do you?

just like how Israel "regretfully" shot the Gaza Flotilla activists. In case you don't get it, I'm mocking how Obama treated Israeli piracy.

Israel didn't commit piracy, they lawfully boarded a foreign vessel entering their waters to inspect it for contraband, and the boarding party was attacked by the occupants of the ship, so they defended themselves.

Try again Seth, every news outlet and even the Israeli government acknowledge that they forcefully boarded and stole the Gaza Flotilla in international waters.

So? They have a right under the international law of the sea to do so when the vessel is suspected of carrying contraband and is headed for their waters.

The U.S. Coast Guard routinely intercepts drug-runners in boats in international waters. Then it arrests the occupants, seizes the contraband, and sinks the boats at sea.

All perfectly in accord with international law.

[JOZeldenrust]

This was an entire American naval fleet that was following a lowly yacht. One armed naval ship I can understand, but when you send in a whole fleet consisting of 10,000+ soldiers armed with super sonic missiles after a few guys on a low speed yacht with no where to go, it's just idiotic. No wonder a few groups of backyard pirates can take on the entire US Navy.

The pirates "took on" four retirees from East Bumfuck Kansas and murdered two little old ladies and their decrepit husbands. That's what they "took on."

The pirates did no such thing. They "regretfully" shot them in self-dense after the retirees attacked them, just like how Israel "regretfully" shot the Gaza Flotilla activists. In case you don't get it, I'm mocking how Obama treated Israeli piracy.

Just like a Muslim -- take two unrelated events and draw a false equality by changing the facts of one so that they match the other. In other words - "lie."

That's what you folks do, isn't it? Lie to the Khafir? Right?

I don't give a fuck what you're mocking. Israel didn't engage in piracy. That's another thing your Muslim brain doesn't get. Israel enforcing a blockade is not piracy. Get the difference?

Your heroes shot four defenseless old people in cold blood. They didn't do it by accident, and they didn't do it "regretfully" and they were not attacked by the unarmed pensioners. They killed them mercilessly, in cold blood, just following the Imam's orders, I'm sure. Fatwa and all. Must obey, submission, ay what what.

It's only since the Islamist rule in Somalia collapsed that piracy really took off. The Islamists might have been opressive, but they were quite effective at keeping the pirates at bay. Sometimes tyranical rule is better then no rule at all.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The collapse of the tyrants didn't change the locals' religion.

[drl2]

For once I almost agree with you. I will regret saying that one day I am sure. However I differ from you in one key respect:

They sure as hell know how to fight. 'Shock and fucking awe' is they way they know best.

Just lately though they have forgotten how to win.

Oh, we know how to win - at least on an engagement-by-engagement, strictly blowing up the guy who's currently shooting at us basis. Our problem is that above the scale of individual fights, we keep putting ourselves in situations where there is no realistic definition of "win".

[laklak]

Oh, we know how to win - at least on an engagement-by-engagement, strictly blowing up the guy who's currently shooting at us basis. Our problem is that above the scale of individual fights, we keep putting ourselves in situations where there is no realistic definition of "win".

Maybe we need to increase the blowing up level.

Neutron bombs, that's the ticket. Gets rid of the pesky insurgents, leaves the infrastructure. Well, most of it. You can still drill through the glass, and only have to wear the suits for a few years.

[Gawd]

The collapse of the tyrants didn't change the locals' religion.

Yes it did. Without the tyrant rulers, those Somali pirates no longer have to worship Allah 10 times a day and have now become atheist/Jew/Christian.