Fuck PETA

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Now, I can understand vegetarians, vegans even both with a myriad of reasons to not eat meat or meat based products.
But I do not quite "get" what PETA are trying to achieve by "supporting" violent reaction. Now if PETA were more like the RSPCA, which additionally to ACTUALLY CARING FOR THE ANIMALS, they also have the authority to present cases to the police/CPA to punish those found guilty of animal cruelty and all that without firebombing anyone.

And I, personally, believe that animal experimentation should be allowed where the potential benefit to humanity, and not just a profit motive, must be shown. (So no more "makup" tests on hares for example, but fruit flies involved with testing genetic science, are all good.)

+1

I also agree with Vikki up to a point. PETA have played a role in exposing some extreme cases of unnecessary cruelty in both farms and research laboratories and bringing it to the public's attention. However, their dogmatic, blinkered politics and their placing of animal rights above human rights places them firmly in the looney camp from my POV. Animals don't have rights for a very simple reason - rights go hand in hand with responsibilities, and animals have none of the latter. Some animals spend all day, every day looking for other animals that they can rip apart and eat raw - where are the rights of the mice and rats that your household moggy leaves disemboweled on the doormat?

And I don't really get their whole fur thing. Why is fur so much more terrible than leather? (OK, PETA probably see both as evil but...) Why do PETA see the need to 'liberate' farmed, American minks, thus releasing them into environments where they proliferate and out-compete native predators (specifically the European mink and the water vole, both of which are on the edge of extinction in some areas?) Why not similar campaigns to liberate cattle?

A lot of their motives come from the right place - they just haven't thought any of it through. I am pretty much veggie by choice (although I quite happily treat fish and seafood as veg ) but more from habit than any other reason - humans are omnivores and adapted to a mixed diet of meat and veg. While we can live on an entirely vegetarian diet (even a vegan diet) both require careful balancing of nutrients in order to avoid malnutrition - adding a bit of animal to the mix means that the body takes care of all that for you! PETA would love to enforce world veganism, which is frankly bonkers! In many struggling countries, finding anything to eat three times a day (even once a day) is a continuous, desperate struggle. The occasional addition of meat to the diet is the only thing that keeps people alive, being an instant booster shot of protein, fat, vitamins and minerals. Try telling someone surviving on a handful of rice every couple of days that animals have rights!

[Trolldor]

Fuck PETA.
They're sanctimonious bullshit is grating.
If you want to talk to me on animal rights, then don't even begin to tell me a chicken in a cage is equivalent to a Jew in a concentration camp.

[Psi Wavefunction]

In addition to what was well-said by Xamonas, I have personal deep resentment towards any organisation that is arrogant and self-righteous enough to attempt to tell me how to live. I make my own decisions, my own choices; I have my own worldview -- whatever fucked up shit your organisation worships over there has nothing to do with me, so stop attempting to shove laws down my throat to make me behave how YOU think I oughtta. Kthx. Same problem I have with religion, really. If you want to get me to do something, you can try logic and evidence. But those fuckers don't, they use brute force and attempt to change laws to make us do what they want. Yeah, fuck off.

Fucking hate Christianity, Islam, [insert other religions here], Feminism, Extreme Right/Left/Centre/Libertarianism/Authoritarianism/[insert other political bullshit here], and yes, PETA and their ilk. People who think they got it all sorted and can now go around teaching others how to live. This is treading on one of my worst pet peeves... :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:



Oh, and additonally, PETA thinks humans have dominion over life or something. ROFL... only people as ignorant and fucked up as PETA can believe that humans are that important in the grand scheme of things. Honestly, the fucking ARROGANCE is astounding!


And it's up to the individual to refrain from cruelty; people can get cruel, and it is their individual responsiblity to contain that and desist. Laws and society are irrelevant in that case; if you're gonna burn kittens, you're a fucking asshole who probably deserves to die because you have more mental issues than a first year Psych textbook. Those of us who enjoy eating meat have nothing to do with it, FFS!

[Woodbutcher]

I've often wondered what would happen if a strange plague wiped out all the animals that we keep and farm for meat. Would we turn to cannibalism? Or would we grow synthetic meat in vats? I believe that we have no more right to be on this planet than animals do; we are animals too, not fucking overlords. We are top predators though, although we don't seem to have the fucking common sense to restrict our unlimited growth and destruction of every fucking ecosystem we touch. For that I blame religion and the belief that everything is ours for the taking, no problem, god will provide. I think that our reign as the lords of creation is going to come to a shitty end awful quickly if we don't quit fucking with mother nature. less greed would be nice. I think that it's a safe bet that a million years from now there will be fuck-all left of human influence on earth. We'll be lucky to last another 500 years unless 99% of the race gets culled and we quit shitting in our own bed. Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck if mankind survives or not. Intelligence is not a survival trait unless it's coupled with common sense. And common sense is something we are missing if we forget that everything on this earth is interdependent, knock enough bricks out and the whole system collapses. Nobody takes the long view, everybody just worries about their own desire to amass a fortune. We really need a good fucking disaster of a meteorite hit to cut the population down. Tomorrow would be nice.

[Beelzebub2]

People that treat animals better than humans are at the lowest bottom of morality, reason and compassion.

Do these people have a life at all? Spending days harassing other people on the basis of their dietary preferences and identifying themselves with such goals as "total liberation of animals" is as stupid as can be!

This is how it looks like in Croatia - they're crazy, deluded, hostile and incredibly brainwashed.

I'm a vegan 99% of the time, but my dietary preferences are strictly my business - not I nor anyone else owes an explanation to any kind of self proclaimed judges of morality and ethics.

[cowiz]

Can I fuck Petra instead?

[Bella Fortuna]

Can I fuck Petra instead?

Really? An entire city?

[cowiz]

Can I fuck Petra instead?

Really? An entire city?

I was thinking more of the dead Blue Peter dog

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/bluep ... etra.shtml

[Xamonas Chegwé]

... and when they 'liberate' all of the farm animals, where are they going to put them?

Where exactly is the natural habitat of a domestic cow? And are we going to keep on milking them - because they will die without it? So what do we do with all the milk then? Just throw it away? Because drinking it would be exploitation, wouldn't it? And what about the poor, fucking turkeys? Well actually, poor non-fucking, turkeys would be a better description, wouldn't it? Because turkeys cannot have sex without manual intervention - so who decides how many new turkeys to make, if there's no food/profit motive to steer it?

Domestic animals have been selectively bred to the point that many of them simply cannot survive in the wild. The first winter without human-provided food would kill them. And what do these morons propose doing with them all? Culling them and keeping a few as pets? If you are going to kill them, might as well eat them I say!

You can't turn around tens of thousands of years of co-existence and mutual dependence in a day. And yes, I did say mutual dependence, because domesticated animals are as reliant upon us as we are upon them. Their genes have benefitted from being useful to mankind every bit as much as ours have from using their meat, milk, wool, honey and eggs.

[Pappa]

Where exactly is the natural habitat of a domestic cow? And are we going to keep on milking them - because they will die without it?

I once read about a dairy farmer and his wife that became vegans for ethical reasons. They decided to stop farming, but keep the cows and let them live out their 'natural' lives (they were aware of how artificial this was). They discovered that they are the only people ever to keep a herd of dairy cows to old age, and they also discovered that old cows get some really odd and unexpected heath problems. It was about 10 years ago I read the article, so the details are lots now.

[ScholasticSpastic]

Nothing to contribute. I just wanted in on the PETA hate-fest as I find them to be one of the more nauseating and pointless of charities. If you want to accomplish everying PETA claims to be about, donate to your SPCA, instead.

[Trolldor]

Is it bad that I always read the p as 'protection' and not 'prevention'?