Palestine v Israel.

[L'Emmerdeur]

Noticed quite a strong sentiment on social media that doesn't condemn Hamas' attacks on Oct 7. But instead strongly supports it. Essentially, they have a right to resist the oppressor any way they can. What are your thoughts?

I think that whether they realise it or not, they're legitimizing the Israeli approach. 'We have sufficient justification and therefore will commit war crimes to achieve our objective.'

[Brian Peacock]

Is there a point at which the citizens in a democracy become complicate in the state's crimes?

Do the citizens endorse or support their state's crimes? If so then they share some of the moral burden, but the citizenry is not the state - not to mention they're also subject to its whims and powers, nor do they control the state's actions directly.

[Sean Hayden]

The minature equivalent of world war two just took out all the aggressive ones on the losing side. So maybe peace will last longer, even a lot longer. Just like it did in Northern Ireland after that helicopter crash took off the head of the aggressive English military. And then peace broke out that lasted there although it is beginning to show signs of fraying now.

The conflict is so asymmetrical (hundreds of victims vs tens of thousands) that using the language of war just reads like disinformation. "They've agreed to a ceasefire..." --is dark, really, really dark.

[aufbahrung]

War under distortion of religion and size, nobody is right when everyone is wrong, guess it sounds dark then isn't war anyway even when it is played like chess in the abstract from thousands of miles distant?

[rainbow]

Noticed quite a strong sentiment on social media that doesn't condemn Hamas' attacks on Oct 7. But instead strongly supports it. Essentially, they have a right to resist the oppressor any way they can. What are your thoughts?

I think that whether they realise it or not, they're legitimizing the Israeli approach. 'We have sufficient justification and therefore will commit war crimes to achieve our objective.'

It is impossible for the people of Israel to know what happened.
They are fed the narrative of the "Fog of War", if you question the tactics of the IDF, you are disloyal, a traitor, a terrorist sympathiser, a self-hating jewis.
You will be ostracised, even by your family, your friends and colleagues.

[Brian Peacock]

Why are govts so quick to label people terrorists if not to make clear to the rest of us that we should be terrified.

[pErvinalia]

Noticed quite a strong sentiment on social media that doesn't condemn Hamas' attacks on Oct 7. But instead strongly supports it. Essentially, they have a right to resist the oppressor any way they can. What are your thoughts?

I think that whether they realise it or not, they're legitimizing the Israeli approach. 'We have sufficient justification and therefore will commit war crimes to achieve our objective.'

It is impossible for the people of Israel to know what happened.
They are fed the narrative of the "Fog of War", if you question the tactics of the IDF, you are disloyal, a traitor, a terrorist sympathiser, a self-hating jewis.
You will be ostracised, even by your family, your friends and colleagues.

That's no excuse. Israel has an open internet. The information is available to everyone.

[pErvinalia]

What about the majority of the population who served in the IDF, maintaining a system of oppression? Are they valid targets?

[Sean Hayden]

Putting aside the idea of valid/invalid targets, who in their right mind would encourage Palestinians to attempt to kill Israelis? You’d think that would be an immediately disqualifying position to hold for any leadership role in Palestine.

[pErvinalia]

It seems like killing Israelis just speeds up the inevitable. It's ethnic cleansing either way.

[aufbahrung]

No goodguys, don't take sides - both sides are ethnic cleansers in waiting, just that one side has six hundred million other haters backing them up

[rainbow]

What about the majority of the population who served in the IDF, maintaining a system of oppression? Are they valid targets?

It was a question I posed earlier.
If a ratio of two civilians to every trained combatant is legit according to the Israeli propagandists, then Oct 7 was a moral attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... n-gaza-war

Israeli politicians and generals have variously put the number of militants killed as high as 20,000, or claimed a civilian-to-combatant ratio as low as 1:1.

The higher totals cited by Israeli officials may include civilians with Hamas links, such as government administrators and police, even though international law prohibits targeting people not engaged in combat.