Oslo Blast Gun Derail

[Gallstones]

Humans are primates prone to violence and abusing one another. That is the Problem. It isn't fists or sticks or clubs or knives or fertilizer, or gasoline or guns.

The issue is impulse killing, I think. It's a lot harder to kill someone with a knife on impulse than it is to pull the .32 out from a purse and peg that bitch that is sitting with your man at the bar. So I believe that guns facilitate violence rather than cause it.

Gonna turn over all your guns then?

[MrJonno]

Ban neo-nazi libertarian shits starting with a few on this forum. They wanted dead socialists and how they have a 100 of them. Fucking animals and their cult of individiuality

No one wanted anyone to be dead.

The level of ignorance and intolerance you expressed above would embarrass any decent, sensible human being.
You are little different from the caricature you have created of those you fear and hate. It is irrational.

There has been constant calling for the death of 'marxists' and 'socialists' on this forum, there is going to be a complete crack down on these far right groups in the near future.

Or to put it another way if anyone doesntt want to be part of society (or if they prefer the 'collective') leave or die

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They are not equivalent, however. You have to be in physical contact with a person to use a knife, unless you want to throw it away of course. Charles Whittman on the Texas Tower with a knife is a quite different matter than him with a box of guns.

The details of the technique are different, sure. For example, it's much easier to kill someone who is dodging and struggling with a knife, as you risk the gun being taken away if you get too close. And of course to maximize effectiveness, as in Whittman's case, one would do physical training rather than sharpshooter training. Ultimately it doesn't matter to the people who die in these mass murders, though.

It does matter in containing such slaughter, however. I'm a gun collector and a shooter for forty-six years now and most of the people I know who have guns shouldn't have been allowed to buy them, they're stupid, ignorant and lazy people who will wind up shooting themselves or family member like as not. It's already happened a couple of times to my knowledge.

[Gallstones]

If someone like Seth and armed (not Seth of course as that would be a personal attack) had been on that island then those kids would have been murdered twice as fast.

Hopefully there will be a very strong crackdown on these right wing patriotic/anti-marxist/paranoid lunatics

Is your brain working, because from the outside it looks like you are ignorning some warning lights on your dash.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Humans are primates prone to violence and abusing one another. That is the Problem. It isn't fists or sticks or clubs or knives or fertilizer, or gasoline or guns.

The issue is impulse killing, I think. It's a lot harder to kill someone with a knife on impulse than it is to pull the .32 out from a purse and peg that bitch that is sitting with your man at the bar. So I believe that guns facilitate violence rather than cause it.

Gonna turn over all your guns then?

Come get 'em.

I been trained how to handle them, and they don't lay around where loss of impulse control can be an issue.

[Gallstones]

Humans are primates prone to violence and abusing one another. That is the Problem. It isn't fists or sticks or clubs or knives or fertilizer, or gasoline or guns.

The issue is impulse killing, I think. It's a lot harder to kill someone with a knife on impulse than it is to pull the .32 out from a purse and peg that bitch that is sitting with your man at the bar. So I believe that guns facilitate violence rather than cause it.

Gonna turn over all your guns then?

Come get 'em.

I been trained how to handle them, and they don't lay around where loss of impulse control can be an issue.

I don't want your fucking guns.
"Come get 'em" sounds a little like impulse hostility. Good thing you have no guns just laying around.

So only people like you should be allowed to have them?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I don't want your fucking guns.
"Come get 'em" sounds a little like impulse hostility. Good thing you have no guns just laying around.

It's a challenge. You want my guns, you come and take them away from me. Good luck with that. Don't send married men.

So only people like you should be allowed to have them?

One of us just said something stupid.

[Gallstones]

I am not partial to a great deal of Seth's politics, but I have seen nothing at all in his philosophy, politics, logic or general sentiments that would lead to anything at all like what happened in Norway

Read the gunman manifesto and then read any of Seth's postings and they are interchangable, I'm sure someone like Seth would have taken out the police helicopter than came to arrest him as well.

I'm absolutely sure there is going to be a total crack down on seth like ideology all over Europe after this (and no we won't be giving school kids uzi's to defend themselves)

I am rapt with anticipation in being able to watch this unfold.
It will be fascinating.

[Animavore]

If I was an Amercan I would definately own a gun. Anyone who thinks guns aren't cool has obviously never fired an AK-47 or a pump-action shotgun.

[Gallstones]

The headline to one of the news articles I read went like this, "Norway police arrive 90 minutes after firing began."

An hour and a half.

A person can kill a lot of people in an hour and a half.

The headline is wrong.

From the police got the message of shooting till Breivik was captured it took an hour.

The police can not save you. They just investigate the aftermath.

Bull.

In this particular incident, how many people did they save?

[Warren Dew]

It does matter in containing such slaughter, however. I'm a gun collector and a shooter for forty-six years now and most of the people I know who have guns shouldn't have been allowed to buy them, they're stupid, ignorant and lazy people who will wind up shooting themselves or family member like as not. It's already happened a couple of times to my knowledge.

I don't see your logic here. Are you saying that where knives are the weapon of choice for mass murder, as in the Japanese case, the irresponsible people wouldn't buy knives? I guess I find that unlikely.

[Gallstones]

Seth isn't spewing Libertarian bullshit.
Just because Seth says it does not mean it is Libertarian.

He spewed a lot of compassion as well.

"spewed" being the operative term.

I realize you have a personal loathing for Seth, but compassion is compassion and there are no bad versions.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Seth isn't spewing Libertarian bullshit.
Just because Seth says it does not mean it is Libertarian.

He spewed a lot of compassion as well.

"spewed" being the operative term.

I realize you have a personal loathing for Seth, but compassion is compassion and there are no bad versions.

Not even faux compassion?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It does matter in containing such slaughter, however. I'm a gun collector and a shooter for forty-six years now and most of the people I know who have guns shouldn't have been allowed to buy them, they're stupid, ignorant and lazy people who will wind up shooting themselves or family member like as not. It's already happened a couple of times to my knowledge.

I don't see your logic here. Are you saying that where knives are the weapon of choice for mass murder, as in the Japanese case, the irresponsible people wouldn't buy knives? I guess I find that unlikely.

Not even close to what I meant.

[Seth]

Firstly, if I was an armed citizen, I wouldn't be running in the direction of the shooting, I would be getting any friends and loved ones together, and getting as far away as possible. And I don't believe one word Seth says, I'm sure he would do the same.

Depends on the precise tactical situation. If I'm the only adult present with children then yes, I'm going to protect those children first and foremost. If other adults are with me, they (by prior tactical arrangement) will shepherd the children away while I will respond to the shooter if its possible to do so. If I'm alone, because I'm armed and trained, I will most likely opt for tactical intervention in, let's say, a mall shooting, in order to distract the shooter and focus his attention away from unarmed innocents, giving others time to escape. It's all very fluid, but both I and my family have discussed and planned what our response should be in such scenarios. Because we've planned and trained, we will react more appropriately than those who have not planned or trained. This is an axiom: In a crisis, you will revert to your training. If you fail to train for a crisis, in a crisis, you will do nothing, or the wrong thing, seldom the right thing.

Secondly, armed citizens mostly kill and and injure innocent people, and themselves.

This is a flatly false statement that you cannot support with any objective evidence.

Thirdly, it's the gun culture that encourages these loonies. This guy held legal guns. They nearly always have legal guns. It's legal guns that start off the weapons delusions in people, and Seth seems to be worryingly heading for that path.

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This is also a flatly false statement that you cannot support with any objective evidence.

That's why all private guns should be banned.

The "logic" of Seth's reasoning is that a large proportion of the population would be heavily armed all the time. Yeh, right, sounds a peaceful strategy to me.

Strawman and red herring. Armed, yes. Heavily armed? Nah.

And seeing everybody carrying guns is bound to make people feel safe. It stands to reason. If you've got a screw loose.

I never felt safer than at the NRA convention in Louisville, Kentucky a few years ago, where more than 60,000 "loonies" congregated, and a large percentage of them were armed. Amazingly, according to your warped and twisted ignorance, nobody at all got shot.

Oh, and that's why they are called "concealed weapons." We keep them concealed so as not to frighten the sheeple.