Julian Assange - Still a Class-A prick

[sandinista]

I would agree with JimC, the majority of the planet is pro Assange. You're mentioning (Ian) "A lot of governments have been terribly embarrassed", that may be true (although rightly so), but the people don't really care about embarrassed governments. The vast majority of people support the leaks. No one trusted the government before the leaks, and no one trusts their governments now. If anything, people are getting pleasure watching certain governments squirm.

You know what people love to have even more than stuff they can't afford? Stuff they're not allowed to have. Like classified information. "Hey, a confidential list of facilities the US government considers crucial to health and economic security! Wow, that's interesting!"

Don't assume most people on earth are as anti-government as you are. People hold their governments accountable, but Wikileaks is accountable to nobody at all. When push comes to shove and some real damage comes about because of these gratuitous leaks, those who are enjoying "watching certain governments squirm" will turn on Wikileaks in a heartbeat.

see above...guessing you missed my edit. BTW, I do think most people actually ARE as anti-government as myself, again, I think you are the minority.

[Ian]

see above...guessing you missed my edit. BTW, I do think most people actually ARE as anti-government as myself, again, I think you are the minority.

I think Pilger's interesting, but I don't take his blog to be an accurate representation of worldwide sentiment, thanks. Let's see some polls. And then let's see what they look like a year or two from now.

[sandinista]

see above...guessing you missed my edit. BTW, I do think most people actually ARE as anti-government as myself, again, I think you are the minority.

I think Pilger's interesting, but I don't take his blog to be an accurate representation of worldwide sentiment, thanks. Let's see some polls. And then let's see what they look like a year or two from now.

I take his blog to be more accurate than your posts! Sorry. haha.

[Ian]

see above...guessing you missed my edit. BTW, I do think most people actually ARE as anti-government as myself, again, I think you are the minority.

I think Pilger's interesting, but I don't take his blog to be an accurate representation of worldwide sentiment, thanks. Let's see some polls. And then let's see what they look like a year or two from now.

I take his blog to be more accurate than your posts! Sorry. haha.

I'm sure you do! You and Gawd both.

[sandinista]

see above...guessing you missed my edit. BTW, I do think most people actually ARE as anti-government as myself, again, I think you are the minority.

I think Pilger's interesting, but I don't take his blog to be an accurate representation of worldwide sentiment, thanks. Let's see some polls. And then let's see what they look like a year or two from now.

I take his blog to be more accurate than your posts! Sorry. haha.

I'm sure you do! You and Gawd both.

and everyone else! haha, only me and gawd go with Pilger over "ian" Now thats fucking funny.

[Ian]

No, wiseguy, I'm talking about this forum. You and Gawd are finding yourselves in a stark minority around here, and I'm sure you are well aware of that. Moreover, I think you know that there would be more people talking about issues on the politics forum if you two weren't always around to drive away reasonable people with your hysterical tripe. If you doubt that, I invite you to view ScienceRob's thread, "Phew! Close call!"
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20970

[sandinista]

No, wiseguy, I'm talking about this forum. You and Gawd are finding yourselves in a stark minority around here, and I'm sure you are well aware of that. Moreover, I think you know that there would be more people talking about issues on the politics forum if you two weren't always around to drive away reasonable people with your hysterical tripe. If you doubt that, I invite you to view ScienceRob's thread, "Phew! Close call!"
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20970

what? so two people don't want to post here because they are too "scared", whatever, what a fucking joke. LAME. Guess that proves we are in the "stark minority", two people don't like our posts, one being YOU for fuck sakes. If anyone types unreasonable tripe its you.

[Ian]

Just keep telling yourself that.

[Warren Dew]

Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Joe Lieberman, George Bush, and Obama?

Links to quotes calling for waterboarding of Assange, please.

[sandinista]

Just keep telling yourself that.

as opposed to what, the bullshit you keep telling yourself?

[Cunt]

Sandinista, I gave up trying to discuss any political matters with you because you don't make any sense, and refuse to take a serious position and stand behind it.

Ian, I am really surprised to see you in such strong opposition. I know that secrets are important to 'diplomacy', but that doesn't mean what diplomats are doing is right. I think Wikileaks is a great thing to have happened. Mainly because, like Napster (remember what happened when it was smashed?) this bell cannot be un-rung. I have thought for some time that there is simply NO privacy, and no security as it relates to anything on a computer. If you hire the worlds best file-encrypter to secure a file, they are not simply trying to 'beat' those who might crack it today, but those who might try for decades after.

I think this is a good wake-up to everyone.

I do hope that fewer people suffer as a result of this big leak, but unless I miss my guess, most folks in opposition are worried about the suffering as a result of the leaks. What if 10,000 die because of the leaks, but 100,000 would have died without them? If such a thing could be demonstrated, would you change your mind?

What evidence, Ian, would you accept that would change your mind about the value of this leak?

[sandinista]

Sandinista, I gave up trying to discuss any political matters with you because you don't make any sense, and refuse to take a serious position and stand behind it.

Cunt, I will try to talk slower so you can make some sense of things.

[Coito ergo sum]

What concerns me is Holder's statement that, "if there are gaps in the law then we will move to close those gaps." I'm surprised that little ditty hasn't gotten more play. We'll close what "gaps," Mr. Holder? Oh - if it's not a crime we'll make it a crime after the fact? If that happens, we have a real constitutional issue, with a little something called an "ex post facto law" or even a "bill of attainder." You're going to plug a gap, just for Assange???? WTF???

I expect he means 'we'll make it espionage to publish classified information even after someone else has stolen it and given it to us.' Of course, that runs afoul of another part of the constitution.

Well, right - if it wasn't a crime when the incident occurred, how can they just go ahead and make it one after the fact....i.e. ex...post....facto....?

[Coito ergo sum]

Blah blah hyperbolic bullshit blah... I'm talking about Julian Assange.

Still denying that America tortures prisoners and murders extra judicially, I see. Maybe you should stop with all that Homeland Insecurity nonsense and see what the rest of the world sees.

Please, show us what you see. Link? Source? What is the right thing to read? Where do you get your information?

[Coito ergo sum]

Blah blah hyperbolic bullshit blah... I'm talking about Julian Assange.

Still denying that America tortures prisoners and murders extra judicially, I see. Maybe you should stop with all that Homeland Insecurity nonsense and see what the rest of the world sees.

The point is, Gawd, that many Americans were deeply disturbed by the whole waterboarding thing, and many other activities of the Bush administration

...and continued by the present administration....very little has changed from the Bush practices to the Obama practices... almost nothing, actually.