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Post by macdoc » Sun May 26, 2024 12:00 am

If anything influenza has positive long term effects offering protective anti-bodies that persist..
That said
Seasonal flu can cause persistent health problems similar to long Covid, study warns
Researchers in the US found that patients hospitalised for both diseases could suffer long-term problems, with Covid proving more dangerous in most cases
‘Long Covid is much more of a health problem than Covid, and long flu is much more of a health problem than the flu,’ says lead researcher Ziyad Al-Aly
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science ... tudy-warns
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Post by rasetsu » Sun May 26, 2024 12:09 am

JimC wrote:
Sat May 25, 2024 8:19 pm
mac is right. Although covid seems to be heading in the direction of reduced severity, long covid is a worry - I don't think there is a "long flu"...
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun May 26, 2024 12:32 am

Aye, that’s a nasty one.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun May 26, 2024 8:26 am

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Post by JimC » Fri May 31, 2024 8:08 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/ ... /103914284

Quite a long article, largely about the current outbreaks of bird flu, but I'm going to quote a section dealing with issues around the next (almost inevitable) global pandemic:
However, as several public health and infectious disease experts have warned in the past few years, the question of another pandemic is not so much a matter of if, but when.

Are we prepared for the next pandemic?

Professor Kelley Lee has been studying the governance of global pandemics for years, and most recently her work with the Pandemics & Borders international research group has been reflecting on the response to the COVID-19 pandemic and strengthen strategies for future outbreaks.

Broadly, her work aims to answer the question: is the world prepared for another pandemic?

"I would say the short answer is no, we're not anywhere near prepared. And indeed, in some ways, I think we're worse prepared than we were prior to COVID-19," she said.

Professor Lee says the biggest lesson from the COVID-19 pandemic has been how global collaboration was instrumental in managing the spread and science the virus — from identifying SARS-CoV-2 as a novel pathogen, to developing vaccines and potential drug treatments.

And conversely, where coordination was lacking, it slowed down the world's ability to bring the virus under control. One example was the varied approaches to imposing travel restrictions and border controls, which her research has shown came at huge economic and societal cost.

"When you have an uncoordinated introduction of policies, where every country did things differently and would change them over time … it's nothing short of chaotic," she said. "It's costly, but it's also not a good way of managing risk."

Professor Lee says jockeying between countries and their citizens over access to resources, "vaccine nationalism" and other behaviours such as people hoarding ventilators and masks, did significant damage. "Populations that really needed those essential supplies didn't get them in time or didn't get them at all," she says.

Over time she believes this contributed to a pervasive corrosion in trust and social cohesion.

"We're more divided than we were before COVID. You would think that a generational event such as this would have brought us closer together … but in general, societies are more fragmented, less cohesive, and less trusting. That kind of social environment makes us far less likely to cooperate or coordinate our efforts, from the local level all the way up to the global level."

Anthony Fauci on the lessons from COVID, and the tragedy of divisiveness
As Anthony Fauci wraps up as chief medical adviser at the White House, he says the world must heed the lessons of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Professor Lee says she's seeing this play out in the ongoing Global Pandemic Accord Negotiations, which this week failed to finalise a draft agreement after more than two years of discussion.

Dr Adalja, who has been advising public health bodies in the US during the recent H5N1 outbreaks, says a similar dynamic is frustrating efforts to manage the virus there.

He says there has been a lack of transparency around testing, and in many cases a lack of access for public health authorities. The setting of this outbreak – in dairy farms across a dozen or so states – adds a layer of bureaucracy that has further complicated the process. At times, public health officials from the CDC haven't been in sync with the Department of Agriculture, or with the state governments which must grant access for federal health officials to carry out testing on farms.

"We saw with swine flu in 2009, there was reticence to really address the risk on farms, and to sample farms — this has gotten better, but we always run into this because there is a very big commercial aspect in terms of export, and domestic consumption of meat and milk," he said.

"So these types of things are constraining the ability to do more widespread testing, to get more important public health information out, at least to the farm workers where we think this risk is really high."

On top of that, Dr Adalja notes that the stigma associated with testing for a highly pathogenic avian influenza carries a huge economic risk — Colombia has already restricted imports of beef from US states where dairy cows have tested positive, and Japan and the US have made similar moves to suspend Victorian poultry imports. But this matters on a micro level, too.

"Many of the people that work on these farms are migrant workers. They may not be willing to be tested because if they're sick, or if they're found to be positive, they won't be able to work, which means they won't get paid," he said.

Dr Adalja is concerned that if we don't get the response right this time, it doesn't bode well for any future pandemic scenario.

"The problems we're seeing now are not a good indicator of how well we would handle a more serious bird flu. It's important to get this ironed out, because it's likely going to involve agriculture of some sort, whether that's poultry, cattle, or swine, so we need to have really robust surveillance of what's going on there."
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Post by macdoc » Wed Jun 05, 2024 3:04 pm

One of the reasons I fear long covid...and also a suspicion I have had it. I have few too many similar symptoms...
‘I could bench-press 100kg. Now, I can’t walk’: Lucy’s life with long Covid
https://www.theguardian.com/society/art ... long-covid

or I could be just getting old..... :zombie:
..but it is a cautionary article and pretty close to what my friends partner in Montreal lives with daily. :cry:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:01 pm

Long Covid is a real thing.
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:46 pm

I've been lucky that i've had minimal symptoms with Covid and recovered fully both times.
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Post by macdoc » Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:46 pm

so sad :(
Childhood, interrupted: 12-year-old Toby’s life with long Covid
Toby at his home in east London. He often struggles to walk more than 50 metres.
More than 110,000 children in England and Scotland are still suffering. For Toby, it has meant pain, crushing fatigue and sadness – as well as months off school
https://www.theguardian.com/society/art ... long-covid

If kids immune systems can't cope.....what hope for us ancients.... :banghead:
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Sun Aug 04, 2024 2:01 am

This is a good one (I don't recall seeing previous mention of it here). US military (special operations) psyop, duping citizens of the Philippines with COVID disinformation to discredit China. Somehow the intrepid sleuths of the antivax world and their brilliant dark web associates managed to overlook it. Doesn't jibe with their narrative all that well.

'Who spread vaccine disinformation in the Philippines? The US military did'
In June, Reuters reported on a hitherto secret U.S. program connected with the COVID pandemic. In the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus rapidly spread throughout the world, our government reportedly sought to respond to Chinese disinformation which had attempted to deflect responsibility for the virus’ origin, claiming that it had originated in a biological research lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland. What was the government’s plan? To fight fire with fire.

This was around the same time that Rodrigo Duterte, then the Trump-style president of the Philippines, was making noises about a closer relationship to China, even hinting that if the Beijing government prioritized sending vaccine to his country, he’d be willing to cede disputed territory in the South China Sea. An element within the U.S. military in the Pacific was reportedly eager to keep the Philippine government on side and fight the deluge of Chinese propaganda.

So the Pentagon apparently authorized a covert disinformation campaign against China, focusing on discrediting Chinese-developed COVID vaccines and protective medical equipment like masks. The channels for this propaganda included Twitter (now X), Facebook and other social media platforms. The campaign appears to have worked: The Philippines ended up with a very low vaccination rate in international comparison (in spite of Duterte’s efforts), and a relatively high death rate.

While it is generally acknowledged that the Chinese vaccine (known as CoronaVac or Sinovac) is less effective than those developed by Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax, it is hardly useless: It’s typically 60 to 70 percent effective, versus the roughly 90-percent effectiveness of Western vaccines. So it would almost certainly have saved lives in the Philippines, if not for the U.S. disinformation campaign.It’s all there in the Reuters reporting, and there is no need to expatiate on the obvious immorality of the operation, quite apart from its colossal stupidity. At the same time as U.S. public health officials were tearing out their hair trying to combat domestic COVID disinformation, and doctors and nurses were risking their lives caring for terminally ill vaccine refusers, their government was pumping the same ideological poison into the minds of innocent people abroad. The nonchalant statement of an unnamed Pentagon official says it all: “We weren’t looking at this from a public health perspective. We were looking at how we could drag China through the mud.”

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The Reuters piece noted that Secretary Esper signed the directive to conduct the operation. The legality of his action rested on a provision in the 2019 defense authorization act permitting the military to conduct clandestine influence operations against other countries, including “outside of areas of active hostilities.”

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It seems unlikely that even as powerful a bureaucratic actor as the secretary of defense would order such a sensitive operation in defiance of the State Department without the guidance of those above him, or at least without their sign-off. The rules of Washington would normally impel a person at Esper’s level to seek cover for his actions. Accordingly, it is probable that he either notified the president directly or through the National Security Council of his order.

That president, of course, would have been DonaldTrump, who had already directed the CIA in 2019 to conduct covert psychological operations inside China. It’s hardly a stretch to speculate that he would have had no problem approving a covert Pentagon operation in the Philippines.

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Shortly after Joe Biden’s inauguration, representatives from Facebook arranged a meeting with officials of the new administration to complain about the covert program, which contradicted the company’s policy against spreading vaccine disinformation. The officials were reportedly horrified, but again, there are loose ends to the Reuters story.

Why hadn’t the new administration learned about the program through Pentagon channels already, during the presidential transition? Why did it take until the spring of 2021 to order DOD to shut it down? And in spite of the order, why did the program linger through the summer? Was the Biden administration lax in its follow-up, or was the Pentagon out of control?

Over the decades, the U.S. military has conducted numerous programs of breathtaking stupidity: the above-ground nuclear tests of the 1950s that exposed draftees to atomic radiation, dumping thousands of tons of Agent Orange defoliant over Indochina during the 1960s, the toxic burn pits of the Iraq war. Civilian leadership in this country needs to shed its adolescent awe of martial derring-do and gain firm control over a very dangerous weapon.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:53 am

US exporting freedom again.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:01 pm

Ha, imagine what they do to their own people.
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Post by Strontium Dog » Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:01 pm

Beginning to think I'm never going to get this thing.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:42 pm

Fingers crossed you don't.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:44 pm

Given he's a right wing kook, I can't tell if he's talking about the vaccine or COVID.
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