What Libertarians Do

[MiM]

Lighthouses they still around?

Yes, and while todays youth might be confident in steering their vessels like drones and blips on a computer screen, most mature captains do find high value in having a bearing to ground truth.

[Coito ergo sum]

Lighthouses they still around?

Yes, and while todays youth might be confident in steering their vessels like drones and blips on a computer screen, most mature captains do find high value in having a bearing to ground truth.

[hadespussercats]

We have Shakespeare in the Park every summer.
Free and, as the name implies, performed outside.
It is funded, at least in part, by donations.

We have a Folk Music festival every July in Butte. Shitloads of music, not just the 60's type granola folk music.
It is free too. Musicians come from all over the world, it includes American Indian music too and ethnic/traditional food (you buy) and other displays of culture and tradition.

I learned more history in Art History than I ever did in the standard history classes. But I was an art major in college and Art History was mandatory for me, not so for most others.

We have a small art gallery in town that contracts for several traveling exhibits every year. It is free to go in. They also provide free art classes to grade school children during the school year. The instructors go into the schools to teach and all materials are provided by the program. All of it's operating costs are provided by grants and donations and a few fundraisers.

The Folk Music festival sounds like a lot of fun.

[Svartalf]

Actually something that did amaze me when I went to the Little Rock Area there was an unmanned firestation with fire engines in them. Do that in the UK and they will end up on ebay extremely quickly

Like someone over here stole the sunpanels from lighthouses. I'd wish someone who did that would get tried for first degree murder, if anyone gets lost at sea, because the lighthouse wasn't working, and attempted murder, even if no-one gets hurt.

No need to wait for somebody to get hurt.
Vandalizing safety equipments like lighthouses is de facto attempted murder 1

[Audley Strange]

@MiM. Actually I meant "American Pie" the teen sex comedy movie.

[MiM]

@MiM. Actually I meant "American Pie" the teen sex comedy movie.

I kind of guessed that, just stole your line

[Seth]

Libertarians don't support publicly-funded schooling in the first place, do they?

Hard line libertarians don't.

They might, if the schools were quality organizations with accountability to the community that provided value for the money they get from the public. The key is that subsidizing them would be voluntary, not compulsory, and anybody who doesn't like the way they are being run or how effectively they are teaching children can simply withdraw their funding in protest.

More pragmatic libertarians like myself who prefer to work within the existing legal system would prefer to move to a voucher system. I think most parents would still look for a school that included some arts to use their vouchers with.

Voucher systems are a good interim step to killing off the education unions and their stranglehold on public schools thereby making them somewhat more accountable and productive, but the next step is to simply stop taking tax money for education from the public by force to begin with and instead set up systems that make it easy for people who want to support public education to donate voluntarily, and systems which bill the parents of children who use public schools for the services rendered.

[hadespussercats]

Seth: "systems which bill the parents of children who use public schools for the services rendered."

Isn't that a private school, then? (in the US sense, not the UK sense.)

[eXcommunicate]

Seth: "systems which bill the parents of children who use public schools for the services rendered."

Isn't that a private school, then? (in the US sense, not the UK sense.)

Yes, basically Seth promotes the destruction of public schools.

[Svartalf]

Seth advocates the abolition of the state except in areas that benefit him directly, and even then, maybe the state should be done without.

[hadespussercats]

Seth: "systems which bill the parents of children who use public schools for the services rendered."

Isn't that a private school, then? (in the US sense, not the UK sense.)

Yes, basically Seth promotes the destruction of public schools.

This is off-topic, but I really like that picture of you and your little girl (at least I'm assuming that's who's in the pic!)

[MrJonno]

Without public schools everyone can turn out to be a clone of their parents because that works well.

School exists to produce good citizens who will take part and improve society ie its social engineering a very good thing

[Seth]

Seth: "systems which bill the parents of children who use public schools for the services rendered."

Isn't that a private school, then? (in the US sense, not the UK sense.)

Indeed. The only difference being that parents are required to educate their children to a state standard somehow. They can homeschool them, send them to private school, or send them to a fee-based public school operated by the state. In no case is anyone required to pay for their children to be schooled against their will, and in every case those who favor education are free to donate to their heart's content to any of the three schooling methods.

[Seth]

Without public schools everyone can turn out to be a clone of their parents because that works well.

School exists to produce good citizens who will take part and improve society ie its social engineering a very good thing

In your world, schools are Marxist propaganda and indoctrination sites for the inculcation of proletarian obedience and values.

In the real world, schools are supposed to teach the essentials, like reading, writing and math, and perhaps science and arts, without political indoctrination or propaganda. That is precisely why the state should not, and indeed must not run the schools, they must be run by local school boards who are locally elected and supervised by the parents and the community to ensure that they don't become propaganda organs for the central government.

This is why "public schools" are anathema to individualism and independent thought, because they always become propaganda and indoctrination sites for the government. Schools should be paid for and run by parents and the local community, and they should be utterly immune from state-influenced mandates having anything to with politics or sociology.

[hadespussercats]

Seth: "systems which bill the parents of children who use public schools for the services rendered."

Isn't that a private school, then? (in the US sense, not the UK sense.)

Indeed. The only difference being that parents are required to educate their children to a state standard somehow. They can homeschool them, send them to private school, or send them to a fee-based public school operated by the state. In no case is anyone required to pay for their children to be schooled against their will, and in every case those who favor education are free to donate to their heart's content to any of the three schooling methods.

Who pays for the development of the state standard? Would there be testing to make sure standards are met? who pays for that?