White child tortured by jeering Chinese crowd

[Hermit]

Most of the rest of the World is very happy to practice ethnic racism as the norm.

So...?

Anti-racism = cultural imperialism?

Racism =/= cultural imperialism?

I'm confused. Perhaps Tyrannical can enlighten me.

Perhaps it would be more obvious to you if I used misogyny as an example instead. The concept of women's rights and equality is once again a Western European ideology, one that we have been forcing on other cultures for quite some time.

An example of what? Cultural imperialism? If so, how would the contrary ideology be less so? Are the Muslim fundamentalists any less imperial-minded when they declare areas of England as Sharia-zones and spraypaint over advertising posters featuring pretty women?

[Svartalf]

How long ago were you in Ireland? It was like that when I was a child growing up. Not any more.
Anyway I never said we weren't racist. I said we don't have a history of it. We weren't running around enslaving people, stealing their land, raping, pillaging etc... like the rest of Europe. We were practically slaves ourselves.

Now, you are quite sure about that, Ani?

my bold

Well, they tried in the 5th century, but they got outpirated by the angles, saxons and vikings.

[Robert_S]

I was just savoring the one of the unavoidable inconsistencies.

[Seth]

An example of what? Cultural imperialism? If so, how would the contrary ideology be less so? Are the Muslim fundamentalists any less imperial-minded when they declare areas of England as Sharia-zones and spraypaint over advertising posters featuring pretty women?

No, they are not. Islam is a fundamentally imperialist religion and political system. There's an interesting book about Islamic imperialism called, interestingly enough, "Islamic Imperialism - A History" by Efraim Karsh, that traces the roots and history of Mohammad's imperialistic aspirations.

[hadespussercats]

Yeah. It is. All over.

My main point is that Ireland isn't steeped in deep racism like Europe and America where whole ideologies based on purity, blood and supremacy exist. The Irish are too self-effacing and humbled by centuries of religious and political oppression and repression for that. We are the antithesis of the master race. So when an old Irish person talks about them "nig-nogs" there's something almost quaint about it. It's generally not used in as strong a tone as other white countries. There's nothing funnier to an Irish person than when a black person not getting their way pulls the race card. It's met with an incredulous, "Where do you think you are? Or who do you think you're talking to? Go on out of that and quit your nonsense."

Yeah, I know what you're getting at. Reminds me of a story my mom told me about her little Quaker grandmother, who had an unexpected visit sometime in the 50's.

She opened the door and said, "Good lord, it's a darky!"

Then invited the man in and gave him tea and cake.

[devogue]

Yeah. It is. All over.

My main point is that Ireland isn't steeped in deep racism like Europe and America where whole ideologies based on purity, blood and supremacy exist. The Irish are too self-effacing and humbled by centuries of religious and political oppression and repression for that. We are the antithesis of the master race. So when an old Irish person talks about them "nig-nogs" there's something almost quaint about it. It's generally not used in as strong a tone as other white countries. There's nothing funnier to an Irish person than when a black person not getting their way pulls the race card. It's met with an incredulous, "Where do you think you are? Or who do you think you're talking to? Go on out of that and quit your nonsense."

Yeah, I know what you're getting at. Reminds me of a story my mom told me about her little Quaker grandmother, who had an unexpected visit sometime in the 50's.

She opened the door and said, "Good lord, it's a darky!"

Then invited the man in and gave him tea and cake.

[mistermack]

How long ago were you in Ireland? It was like that when I was a child growing up. Not any more.
Anyway I never said we weren't racist. I said we don't have a history of it. We weren't running around enslaving people, stealing their land, raping, pillaging etc... like the rest of Europe. We were practically slaves ourselves.

Now, you are quite sure about that, Ani?

my bold

Yeh, I would question that, as historically most Irish people have viking ancestors.
Plenty of raping and pillaging ancestry there.

[Svartalf]

You understand that the viking ancestors of the modern Irish wzre the pillagers who decided to stop and settle there right? the Irish proper (included descendants of those settled Norse) did not leave Ireland to play pirates around the place.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You understand that the viking ancestors of the modern Irish wzre the pillagers who decided to stop and settle there right? the Irish proper (included descendants of those settled Norse) did not leave Ireland to play pirates around the place.

Look, buddy, just because something happened a thousand years ago don't mean the present generation gets out of paying reparations. As the one true Irishman, I demand the title to Oslo!

[Svartalf]

As a rightful descendant of the Stuarts, I demand the English Crown and all the stuff that the windsors own, plus the Tower of London and everything in it.

Plus, as a True Irishman, you only get title to stuff the Irish invaded, so you might use your new authority to find a place in Glascoe for twofie, because Southwest Scotland is about the extent of Irish conquest, and they managed to lose that to the saxons.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

As a rightful descendant of the Stuarts, I demand the English Crown and all the stuff that the windsors own, plus the Tower of London and everything in it.

Plus, as a True Irishman, you only get title to stuff the Irish invaded, so you might use your new authority to find a place in Glascoe for twofie, because Southwest Scotland is about the extent of Irish conquest, and they managed to lose that to the saxons.

You don't understand reparations, do you.

[laklak]

Just goes to show, you can't trust a fucking zip.

[Svartalf]

As a rightful descendant of the Stuarts, I demand the English Crown and all the stuff that the windsors own, plus the Tower of London and everything in it.

Plus, as a True Irishman, you only get title to stuff the Irish invaded, so you might use your new authority to find a place in Glascoe for twofie, because Southwest Scotland is about the extent of Irish conquest, and they managed to lose that to the saxons.

You don't understand reparations, do you.

eh? if it comes to that, I demand all of the UK and I'll still grant you Glascoe.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

As a rightful descendant of the Stuarts, I demand the English Crown and all the stuff that the windsors own, plus the Tower of London and everything in it.

Plus, as a True Irishman, you only get title to stuff the Irish invaded, so you might use your new authority to find a place in Glascoe for twofie, because Southwest Scotland is about the extent of Irish conquest, and they managed to lose that to the saxons.

You don't understand reparations, do you.

eh? if it comes to that, I demand all of the UK and I'll still grant you Glascoe.

Sigh, oh sigh.

[Svartalf]

You don't want to know all the bad stuff I owe to the sassenachs... reparations... that would bankrupt them, or they'd have to throw out the germans (which they ought to do anyways) and make me king in their stead.