Julian Assange - Still a Class-A prick

[Coito ergo sum]

The lawyer, Mark Stephens, told David Frost on Al-Jazeera television that they have heard from Swedish authorities that there has been a "secretly empaneled" grand jury in Alexandria, VA

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa ... 97159.html

[Gawd]

THIS thread should have been called "American Stupidity". I wonder if any of the Americans would complain about it?

[Coito ergo sum]

THIS thread should have been called "American Stupidity". I wonder if any of the Americans would complain about it?

The UK arrests the guy on behalf of Sweden, on the charge of the heinous crime of having consensual sex without a condom with adult women, and you want to call it
"American" stupidity?

[Gawd]

THIS thread should have been called "American Stupidity". I wonder if any of the Americans would complain about it?

The UK arrests the guy on behalf of Sweden, on the charge of the heinous crime of having consensual sex without a condom with adult women, and you want to call it
"American" stupidity?

Who do you think is forcing those countries to carry out those dumb charges? Answer: America. And who do you think is pushing for the assassination of Assange? Answer: Americans like your congress people.

[klr]

Ah, Michael Moore, ever the tool-bag.....

He's on BBC Newsnight right now via satellite link ...

... he looks a lot like Bill Gates, if Willy G just let himself go.

[Coito ergo sum]

THIS thread should have been called "American Stupidity". I wonder if any of the Americans would complain about it?

The UK arrests the guy on behalf of Sweden, on the charge of the heinous crime of having consensual sex without a condom with adult women, and you want to call it
"American" stupidity?

Who do you think is forcing those countries to carry out those dumb charges? Answer: America. And who do you think is pushing for the assassination of Assange? Answer: Americans like your congress people.

Err....the all powerful United States, who orders the United Kingdom and Sweden around like lap dogs? That must be why the US had everybody on its side when we went into Iraq....oh, hey...wait.... countries had the temerity to not do what the US wants? Holy cow!

You think that the UK can't say no to the US's request to arrest Assange? Fuck, dude, countries have made it such a habit of saying "no" and "fuck you" to the US over the last two years, we're starting to feel like the kid who can't get a date for the prom. Nobody is afraid of saying no to the US - that's why we lost the Olympics and the World Cup - you think we can push around Sweden and the UK to arrest somebody on trumped up charges, but we can't motivate the Olympic committee to put the Olympics in Chicago?

We have free speech in the US, and maybe 2 people have suggested the assassination route, and they've been for the most part resoundingly criticized for it.

[Gawd]

Not just two people, but a whole swathe of American politicians have called for the murder of Assange and are trying to push through, yet no one is putting your "leaders" in jail.

And just what do you think Assange is waiting trial for right now? That's right, extradition hearings to get turned over to American thugs. It's not about the cheap whores, but about the Americans getting a chance to torture him.

[GreyICE]

Okay, Gawd, money where mouth is. Right now.
Couple is defined as two.
Few is typically three to maybe five
Several is maybe four to nine

So Gawd, I assume swathe is at least nine or so. Names. Now. Nine US politicians who have called for Assange's death, and are putting pressure on the CIA and/or military to accomplish this.

Or is this as empty as the rest of your meanderings?

[JimC]

Gawd, I suspect you are exaggerating here. From what I have read, 2 or 3 may have expressed that view, and quite a number more have simply jumped the gun, declared his activities illegal and pressed for extradition. Even those numbers are a sad reflection on American politics. However, it is mostly empty rhetoric, designed to impress their fellow Americans that they are gung ho, I suspect, rather than a sinister conspiracy...

Mind you, I think that, on balance, it would be safer for Julian if he stayed out of American hands...

[Ian]

Gawd, I suspect you are exaggerating here. From what I have read, 2 or 3 may have expressed that view, and quite a number more have simply jumped the gun, declared his activities illegal and pressed for extradition. Even those numbers are a sad reflection on American politics. However, it is mostly empty rhetoric, designed to impress their fellow Americans that they are gung ho, I suspect, rather than a sinister conspiracy...

Mind you, I think that, on balance, it would be safer for Julian if he stayed out of American hands...

Politicians, especially congressmen (where the one or two "Wikileaks is a terrorist organization!" mutterings have come from) are notorious for saying thing that they know will never come to pass. It gets their faces in the media, and maybe some extra campaign contributions. I've also heard one or two other congressmen (Republicans, of course) calling for Brad Manning to be executed. I'll take any bet against Wikileaks being declared a terrorist group, or Manning receiving the death penalty. And I'd love to bet Gawd against "the US wanting to torture Assange." FFS, Gawd, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you babble shite like that? But go ahead and bet me - we know what happened the last time you did that.

[Gawd]

Gawd, I suspect you are exaggerating here. From what I have read, 2 or 3 may have expressed that view, and quite a number more have simply jumped the gun, declared his activities illegal and pressed for extradition. Even those numbers are a sad reflection on American politics. However, it is mostly empty rhetoric, designed to impress their fellow Americans that they are gung ho, I suspect, rather than a sinister conspiracy...

Mind you, I think that, on balance, it would be safer for Julian if he stayed out of American hands...

Politicians, especially congressmen (where the one or two "Wikileaks is a terrorist organization!" mutterings have come from) are notorious for saying thing that they know will never come to pass. It gets their faces in the media, and maybe some extra campaign contributions. I've also heard one or two other congressmen (Republicans, of course) calling for Brad Manning to be executed. I'll take any bet against Wikileaks being declared a terrorist group, or Manning receiving the death penalty. And I'd love to bet Gawd against "the US wanting to torture Assange." FFS, Gawd, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you babble shite like that? But go ahead and bet me - we know what happened the last time you did that.

Guantamano Bay and torture is a pretty safe bet. Same with American waterboarding activities that are pretty much standard procedure. Yah wanna bet that the Americans torture? It's a fact that they do.

[Ian]

Blah blah hyperbolic bullshit blah... I'm talking about Julian Assange.

[sandinista]

Gawd, I suspect you are exaggerating here. From what I have read, 2 or 3 may have expressed that view, and quite a number more have simply jumped the gun, declared his activities illegal and pressed for extradition. Even those numbers are a sad reflection on American politics. However, it is mostly empty rhetoric, designed to impress their fellow Americans that they are gung ho, I suspect, rather than a sinister conspiracy...

Mind you, I think that, on balance, it would be safer for Julian if he stayed out of American hands...

Politicians, especially congressmen (where the one or two "Wikileaks is a terrorist organization!" mutterings have come from) are notorious for saying thing that they know will never come to pass. It gets their faces in the media, and maybe some extra campaign contributions. I've also heard one or two other congressmen (Republicans, of course) calling for Brad Manning to be executed. I'll take any bet against Wikileaks being declared a terrorist group, or Manning receiving the death penalty. And I'd love to bet Gawd against "the US wanting to torture Assange." FFS, Gawd, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you babble shite like that? But go ahead and bet me - we know what happened the last time you did that.

Guantamano Bay and torture is a pretty safe bet. Same with American waterboarding activities that are pretty much standard procedure. Yah wanna bet that the Americans torture? It's a fact that they do.

Of course americans torture, they have been for years. In fact they have written the book on torture (see below), I think the question is whether they will torture assange. Probably not, because of 2 things, he's white, and he's high profile.

There is indeed a torture manual and the CIA literally wrote it. In 1963, the Agency created the KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation manual. It was, as Alfred McCoy puts it, the “codification” of everything the CIA had learned from its experiments throughout the 50s. In the KUBARK (the codename for the CIA in the Vietnam War [source: The Washington Post]) manual, methods for breaking detainees are based generally on psychology. Identifying a victim’s sense of self and then stripping it away is part of the first step toward breaking him or her. An introverted or shy detainee might be kept naked and perhaps sexually humiliated, for example. Clothes may also be taken simply to alienate the detainee and make him or her less comfortable.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/tortur ... /printable

[GreyICE]

Guantamano Bay and torture is a pretty safe bet. Same with American waterboarding activities that are pretty much standard procedure. Yah wanna bet that the Americans torture? It's a fact that they do.

This does not resemble names. Do you have names? Do you have evidence?

[Trolldor]

Don't tell gawd that Americans weren't the first and are not the only.