The Hillary-thread

[Tero]

His mandate is to look after himself. First thing he will lower his taxes. Though his salary is only $14000. I guess he won't be making that for his 2 years till he resigns.

[Seth]

His mandate is to look after himself.

Not according to him, although by looking after himself he looks after the productive class as well because he's a capitalist.

First thing he will lower his taxes.

He doesn't pay any taxes...legally.

Though his salary is only $14000.

He's said he's not going to take his presidential salary. I believe him. Why would he, he makes more than than in a month.

I guess he won't be making that for his 2 years till he resigns.

Why would he resign? And if he does I'm comfortable with Pence as President.

[Tero]

The scandals will start getting too numerous. He is a crooked businessman. Just need that special prosecutor poking into his business. We'll lock him up eventually for tax fraud.

[Seth]

The scandals will start getting too numerous. He is a crooked businessman. Just need that special prosecutor poking into his business. We'll lock him up eventually for tax fraud.

If there's anything Trump is an expert at it's using tax law to his benefit within the law. People have been trying to take Trump down for decades and never once have they succeeded. That's because he hires competent tax lawyers to structure his business dealings to his benefit but within the law. They won't succeed now either.

He'd been audited by the IRS every single year for decades and they have never been able to "get" him because there's nothing to get him on. He operates within the law. Unlike most people he's smart enough to actually READ the law (or hire people who do) and find ways to make money while staying in compliance. It ain't rocket surgery when you've got his kind of business acumen, intelligence and resources. Plenty of other people, like Bill Gates, Elon Musk and General Electric do exactly the same things on the liberal side.

Unlike Hillary and Bill, who are abysmally arrogant, narcissistic, and flat-out stupid and have been engaging in RICO-level charitable fraud for years, but are quite likely to end up in prison now because finally there's going to be someone in charge of the DOJ willing to actually charge them with their many crimes. Pl

[Tero]

He will need to sleep a few nights in the White House. "He grabbed my genitals!"

[Scot Dutchy]

His mandate is to look after himself. First thing he will lower his taxes. Though his salary is only $14000. I guess he won't be making that for his 2 years till he resigns.

He says he will not take a salary. Melcunt wont like that the gold digger she is.

[Brian Peacock]

Yeah, all those dead Democrats voting twice still couldn't secure Clinton's elevation to office. Nonetheless, we seem to be in the realm of lies, damn lies, and statistics, but by Seth's rhetorical reasoning Clinton failed to secure 52.15% of the popular vote while Trump failed to secure 52.77% - which I guess makes him the one that most people didn't vote for. Either way, Trump can't claim any sort of landslide or that the people have given him a resounding endorsement. They didn't.

He doesn't need a "resounding endorsement," that's the point. He needs to win by one electoral vote. Besides, repudiation of Hillary is demonstrated by the fact that she DID NOT win in a Reaganesque 18.27% popular and 97.58% electoral college vote over Walter Mondale in 1984...which is what Democrats were predicting all along.

I didn't say he needs a resounding public endorsement, I said he can't claim one.

He snuck in despite polling 1.7m less votes (around 1.15% of the registered electorate, or around 0.53% of the population). It was a very close run thing - something the electoral college tally does not really reflect.

He didn't "sneak" anywhere. He's the fifth President to "lose" the popular vote but win the presidency and he did it during the second-most dismal voter turnout (55%) in any election where the winner "lost" the popular vote. Only John Quincy Adams in 1824 had a lower voter turnout of that group. What that says is that the putative Hillary voters simply stayed home and didn't vote at all, which doesn't say much for her.

Well, 'the second most dismal voter turnout suggest that putative Republican voters simply stayed home and didn't vote at all as well, which doesn't say much for him.'

One can just imagine the hoo-hah if the mitten had been on the other knuckle.

Indeed, and rightfully so since the dead tend to vote Democrat, along with the illegal aliens. I'm firmly convinced that if (hopefully when) all the votes are examined and the fraudulent votes tossed out and the fraudulent voters arrested and charged with voter fraud and put in prison it will turn out that Trump actually did win the popular vote...not that it matters.

This just sounds paranoid. There's only been one case of a dead person voting in a US general election, when some guy died and his wife posted his vote in the next day. Tell me, how many non-US citizens do you think get to register to vote in the US - or is this just one of 'nobody can prove that it isn't the case' bogeymen you're so fond of?

That all three branches of government will now be controlled by Republicans is far more significant than simply who gets to sit in the big chair.

Oh you just damned betcha it is! First time in what, 40 years or so? I've always said who is President is far less important than who controls Congress. Pity Republicans didn't elect a veto-proof super-majority but it'll do that they hold the majority. And now it's time to give Democrats "democracy"...good and hard.

Well, some might say that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but a democracy like the US, you know, of the people, by the people, for the people etc, does need some checks and balances. Having a single party working unopposed for a term, of whatever political hue, is not a very health prospect - particularly when the public are pretty much split 50/50 between the two main parties.

Nonetheless, the next four years is a going to be an interesting time. Over the coming term the Republicans will have a chance to further their aims and ambitions politically unopposed. If people don't see some real improvements in their circumstances in four years time, or even if the government don't do what they said they would do, blaming the Chinese or Mexican pool boys in four years time isn't going to carry that much weight. The GOP have a great chance to live up to their rhetoric - for good or ill.

To a died-in-the-wool constitutional republican like myself it seem pretty clear that the historical fudge that is the US electoral college system is overdue an independent review with a view to dragging it into the 21st Century - not that that's ever going to happen of course.

Why? It's been working quite well since the very beginning, why should anything change? I didn't bitch about the electoral college when Obama won, or Clinton or any other Democrat even though many Republicans did. As we see, it helps to even things out in the long run and it provides representation for the vast "flyover" territory of middle America that has for the last 40 years or so been completely ignored by pretty much everybody. That Trump was able to successfully motivate that base into actually voting is a wonder of modern politics. Just look at a map of the nation and how people voted on a county-by-county basis. The nation is almost entirely red except for the liberal-dominated big cities with their entitlement cultures and beholden sheeple voters who want the slop to continue to flow into the trough from the federal government. It's perfectly just that the simmering anger and resentment of middle America, who has to pay for all the welfare leeches and Marxist useful idiots to slop at the trough have finally been heard from, pretty damned loud and clear.

So yes, Trump does indeed have a mandate to look after the interests of the productive class rather than the interests of the indolent dependent class.

Trump has a mandate in as much as he has the constitutional authority of office, but as I suggested above this should not be confused with a popular mandate: a landslide victory, or a resounding endorsement of his policies. I'm not bitching about the US's electoral college system because Trump won--in fact i'm not bitching at all--I said that it was a historical fudge. Other models are more representative. The US constitution was a brave and glorious construct in many ways, but it was of its time. That time has past.

[Scot Dutchy]

No where else on Earth in any other electoral system would Trumpcunt be elected. Only the totally stupid corrupt American system can do that but as the old adage goes; "A country gets the cunts it deserves" and they got Trumpcunt.

[pErvinalia]

That's not true. It's possible in our system for a government to be elected after losing the popular vote. That's a possibility in almost all representative democracies.

[Scot Dutchy]

That's not true. It's possible in our system for a government to be elected after losing the popular vote. That's a possibility in almost all representative democracies.

Not in European countries. FPTP systems are all open to that but none are so corrupt as the American system.

[pErvinalia]

It's not corruption. It's just a feature of representative democracy.

[Forty Two]

You know, you don't have to hate her anymore. She lost - her legacy is rotten fruit.

Oh fuck off.

[Forty Two]

The scandals will start getting too numerous. He is a crooked businessman. Just need that special prosecutor poking into his business. We'll lock him up eventually for tax fraud.

Yes, yes. If only the IRS had the resources necessary to audit his taxes and find his tax fraud. It's high time we sufficiently funded the IRS such that it could find tax cheats.

[Forty Two]

His mandate is to look after himself. First thing he will lower his taxes. Though his salary is only $14000. I guess he won't be making that for his 2 years till he resigns.

He says he will not take a salary. Melcunt wont like that the gold digger she is.

Misogynist.

[Scot Dutchy]

His mandate is to look after himself. First thing he will lower his taxes. Though his salary is only $14000. I guess he won't be making that for his 2 years till he resigns.

He says he will not take a salary. Melcunt wont like that the gold digger she is.

Misogynist.

The Trumpcunt is, your right.