Ah, revisions, correction and "well, this is what they REALLY meant" stuff. Gotta love it. I wonder what physics would look like under the same system.Coito ergo sum wrote:Errors?Gawdzilla wrote:Is that the "original" that is worded like that, or the KJV? Translation errors could account for this.Coito ergo sum wrote:Apparently, the evangelicals, Noah's Ark Ministries International, who are funding this debacle are "99.9 percent" that a wooden structure found on the mountainside was part of a ship that housed the Biblical Noah, his family and a menagerie of creatures during a giant flood 4,800 years ago.
Genesis identifies the mountains of Urartu (a.k.a. Ararat) as the landing zone for the ark, but not a specific peak. If the ark actually did land on Mt. Ararat specifically, and not just in the "mountains of" Ararat, then why would the writer not just write "Mt. Ararat?"
And, of course, there is not enough water in the world to get an ark that high up a mountain.
Since the original was in Hebrew, and I do not read Hebrew, I do not know.
But, "The name Ararat, as it appears in the Bible, is the Hebrew equivalent of ...Urartu, ancient country of southwest Asia...mentioned in Assyrian sources from the early 13th century BC" Encyclopaedia Britanica 15th ed. And, the Mountains of Ararat (Armenian: Արարատ, Turkish Ağrı Dağı, Biblical Hebrew הרי אררט, Tiberian hārəy Ǎrārāṭ, Septuagint: τὰ ὄρη τὰ or τοῦ Ἀραρὰτ) is the place named in the Book of Genesis where Noah's Ark came to rest after the great flood (Genesis 8:4). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Ararat. The Book of Jubilees (7:1) specifies that the Ark came to rest on one of the peaks of the "Mountains of Ararat" called "Lubar". Id. The Latin Vulgate says "requievitque arca [...] super montes Armeniae", which means literally "and the ark rested [...] on the mountains of Armenia", which was corrected to "... mountains of Ararat" (montes Ararat) in the Nova Vulgata (New Vulgate). Id.
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I once had an argument with some Xtians in the comments of some online newspaper article about Luke 14:26. They refused to accept Jesus would say you have to be willing to hate... because they were reading some heavily revised version. I was told the correct reading was "like less" not hate.Gawdzilla wrote:Ah, revisions, correction and "well, this is what they REALLY meant" stuff. Gotta love it. I wonder what physics would look like under the same system.
Here's the KJV version in all it's glory:
The New International and New American are pretty similar.If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
The English Standard Version get's 10/10 from me.
The Message version.If you want to be my disciple, you must hate everyone else by comparison—your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple.
Contemporary English Version... hmmmOne day when large groups of people were walking along with him, Jesus turned and told them, "Anyone who comes to me but refuses to let go of father, mother, spouse, children, brothers, sisters—yes, even one's own self!—can't be my disciple. Anyone who won't shoulder his own cross and follow behind me can't be my disciple.
New Century Version...You cannot be my disciple, unless you love me more than you love your father and mother, your wife and children, and your brothers and sisters. You cannot come with me unless you love me more than you love your own life.
I could go on... but that would be boring.If anyone comes to me but loves his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters—or even life—more than me, he cannot be my follower.
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"I could go on... but that would be boring."
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I haven't studied the Bereshit in the Hebrew either, but French translation, approved by the Catholics (Jerusalem Bible) also says "Mountains of Ararat" in the pluralCoito ergo sum wrote:Errors?Gawdzilla wrote:Is that the "original" that is worded like that, or the KJV? Translation errors could account for this.Coito ergo sum wrote:Apparently, the evangelicals, Noah's Ark Ministries International, who are funding this debacle are "99.9 percent" that a wooden structure found on the mountainside was part of a ship that housed the Biblical Noah, his family and a menagerie of creatures during a giant flood 4,800 years ago.
Genesis identifies the mountains of Urartu (a.k.a. Ararat) as the landing zone for the ark, but not a specific peak. If the ark actually did land on Mt. Ararat specifically, and not just in the "mountains of" Ararat, then why would the writer not just write "Mt. Ararat?"
And, of course, there is not enough water in the world to get an ark that high up a mountain.
Since the original was in Hebrew, and I do not read Hebrew, I do not know.
But, "The name Ararat, as it appears in the Bible, is the Hebrew equivalent of ...Urartu, ancient country of southwest Asia...mentioned in Assyrian sources from the early 13th century BC" Encyclopaedia Britanica 15th ed. And, the Mountains of Ararat (Armenian: Արարատ, Turkish Ağrı Dağı, Biblical Hebrew הרי אררט, Tiberian hārəy Ǎrārāṭ, Septuagint: τὰ ὄρη τὰ or τοῦ Ἀραρὰτ) is the place named in the Book of Genesis where Noah's Ark came to rest after the great flood (Genesis 8:4). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Ararat. The Book of Jubilees (7:1) specifies that the Ark came to rest on one of the peaks of the "Mountains of Ararat" called "Lubar". Id. The Latin Vulgate says "requievitque arca [...] super montes Armeniae", which means literally "and the ark rested [...] on the mountains of Armenia", which was corrected to "... mountains of Ararat" (montes Ararat) in the Nova Vulgata (New Vulgate). Id.
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My theory is that Noah collected the gens of the millions of organisms and stored in a real ark.
Took it in the boat along with few animals and insects.
The survivors were then used to clone back to life all the organisms by using the gens stored in the ark.
I know that are few details missing, but I'll get there. Eventually...
I find my theory more scientific sound than the one in the other book.
Took it in the boat along with few animals and insects.
The survivors were then used to clone back to life all the organisms by using the gens stored in the ark.
I know that are few details missing, but I'll get there. Eventually...
I find my theory more scientific sound than the one in the other book.
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Was the "B"Ark where the dogs were?Mysturji wrote:There were a fleet of arks.Faithfree wrote:The group that spent all that money building the ark museum at the other site will be pissed off.
http://anchorstone.com/noahs-ark/the-ne ... urkey.html
How many frigging arks were there? I have a book about the discovery of the ark written back in the 1970s.
This was the "B" Ark.
"D"Ark for Owls and nocturnal shit
etc
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"A" ark was for Aardvarks, Aardwolfs and other insectivors.Tigger wrote:Was the "B"Ark where the dogs were?Mysturji wrote:There were a fleet of arks.Faithfree wrote:The group that spent all that money building the ark museum at the other site will be pissed off.
http://anchorstone.com/noahs-ark/the-ne ... urkey.html
How many frigging arks were there? I have a book about the discovery of the ark written back in the 1970s.
This was the "B" Ark.
"D"Ark for Owls and nocturnal shit
etc
I'll get me coat.
"H" ark The Herod angels sing on this boat
"L" ark Birds of the Alaudidae family
"M" ark Writers of the Gospels were on this one.
"P" ark Was the boat with the recreation area for walking the dogs etc.
"S" ark was a Tea clipper.
"Z" ark was where the aliens were kept.
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So I take it Abraham and Co. were on the "F" Ark?
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"B" ark is what a dog is reduced to when it can no longer bite.Deep Sea Isopod wrote:"A" ark was for Aardvarks, Aardwolfs and other insectivors.Tigger wrote:Was the "B"Ark where the dogs were?Mysturji wrote:There were a fleet of arks.Faithfree wrote:The group that spent all that money building the ark museum at the other site will be pissed off.
http://anchorstone.com/noahs-ark/the-ne ... urkey.html
How many frigging arks were there? I have a book about the discovery of the ark written back in the 1970s.
This was the "B" Ark.
"D"Ark for Owls and nocturnal shit
etc
I'll get me coat.
"H" ark The Herod angels sing on this boat
"L" ark Birds of the Alaudidae family
"M" ark Writers of the Gospels were on this one.
"P" ark Was the boat with the recreation area for walking the dogs etc.
"S" ark was a Tea clipper.
"Z" ark was where the aliens were kept.
"C" ark is what you do at the end of your life.
"F" ark is plain rude.
"Q" ark is invisible to the mere eye.
We're assembling quite a fleet of arks here, perhaps big enough to attack and sink AIG.
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Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
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That one contained all the dinosaurs and monsters of mythology and was hunted down before it could land safely.Gawdzilla wrote:Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
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Really? I thought it was filled with teenagers.Svartalf wrote:That one contained all the dinosaurs and monsters of mythology and was hunted down before it could land safely.Gawdzilla wrote:Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
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Your mother was a pussycat and your father smel of valerian, now don't force me to taunt you again.born-again-atheist wrote:Really? I thought it was filled with teenagers.Svartalf wrote:That one contained all the dinosaurs and monsters of mythology and was hunted down before it could land safely.Gawdzilla wrote:Do we have a "Sn" ark yet?
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