Drones to Circle Washington, DC

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Re: Drones to Circle Washington, DC

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:54 pm

Ian wrote:I've never understood the fascination many people seem to have with drones. They're not autonomous (at least not yet, and eventually they'll still be guided by programming), they're just piloted remotely. Is there some big ethical difference between a remotely-piloted aircraft and one where the pilot is onboard? Aircraft have been used for surveillance for over a hundred years (and hot air balloons long before that). Discussions about drones in any context seem really trivial to me, like a discussion in the 1950s about how helicopters or jets are increasingly used in place of propeller aircraft. So what?
To me, the discussion about drones is fun because they are fucking awesome technology. Pilotless aircraft? Seems commonplace today, but it was science fiction not too long ago -- in our lifetimes.

And, the technology they're developing to put on these things is amazing.

The ethical issue I see is if the drones programming is to ever be given an "if/then/fire" ability, where a human is not needed to decide when to fire. I expect that for some purposes that would be very useful, like a front-to-front war or a tank battle, where you can get a lot of mileage of incredibly swift attacks by hundreds or even thousands of drones, each with technology allowing them to make targeting and firing decisions.

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Re: Drones to Circle Washington, DC

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:57 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Ian wrote:I've never understood the fascination many people seem to have with drones. They're not autonomous (at least not yet, and eventually they'll still be guided by programming), they're just piloted remotely. Is there some big ethical difference between a remotely-piloted aircraft and one where the pilot is onboard? Aircraft have been used for surveillance for over a hundred years (and hot air balloons long before that). Discussions about drones in any context seem really trivial to me, like a discussion in the 1950s about how helicopters or jets are increasingly used in place of propeller aircraft. So what?
To me, the discussion about drones is fun because they are fucking awesome technology. Pilotless aircraft? Seems commonplace today, but it was science fiction not too long ago -- in our lifetimes.

And, the technology they're developing to put on these things is amazing.

The ethical issue I see is if the drones programming is to ever be given an "if/then/fire" ability, where a human is not needed to decide when to fire. I expect that for some purposes that would be very useful, like a front-to-front war or a tank battle, where you can get a lot of mileage of incredibly swift attacks by hundreds or even thousands of drones, each with technology allowing them to make targeting and firing decisions.
Radio control aircraft with cameras have been around for decades. Precision control and information retrieval is the only real improvement. The rest is hardly sci-fi to be honest. :smoke:
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Re: Drones to Circle Washington, DC

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:59 pm

The older Kennedy son, Joe, died testing a radio-controlled B-17 "flying bomb". There were ... bugs in the system in WWII.
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Re: Drones to Circle Washington, DC

Post by Robert_S » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:48 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:I always feel like somebody's watching me and I got no privacy.....
But if you're just an average guy with an average life, what do you have to hide?
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Re: Drones to Circle Washington, DC

Post by klr » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:59 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:I always feel like somebody's watching me and I got no privacy.....
:cry: Argh! The 80's flashbacks! :nono:
Robert_S wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:I always feel like somebody's watching me and I got no privacy.....
But if you're just an average guy with an average life, what do you have to hide?
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