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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by maiforpeace » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:45 am

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Twoflower wrote:She may have been on medication that makes her prone to rage. At the daycare I use to work at there was a kid who had behavioral problems and when the doctor put him on new meds the side affects made him even worse. He would smash things and have tantrums, run away, and sprained another teachers wrist when she was trying to get him under control. Once he got off those meds he was back to being a sweet kid about 90% of the time. And no the cops were not called at any time.
You also have to consider the danger she can pose to other children. A wild out of control 6 year old is capable of causing serious injuries to another 6 year old.
And that's why you remove the child from the classroom.

I am baffled how the principal was so helpless to do anything but call the police. Seems to me they would have some kind of training to deal with such a thing. Three adults should be able to manage an out of control six year old.
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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by FBM » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:08 pm

I agree, Mai, but in today's legal environment, simply grabbing a child by the wrist could be turned into an assault charge.
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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by Tyrannical » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:25 pm

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Twoflower wrote:She may have been on medication that makes her prone to rage. At the daycare I use to work at there was a kid who had behavioral problems and when the doctor put him on new meds the side affects made him even worse. He would smash things and have tantrums, run away, and sprained another teachers wrist when she was trying to get him under control. Once he got off those meds he was back to being a sweet kid about 90% of the time. And no the cops were not called at any time.
You also have to consider the danger she can pose to other children. A wild out of control 6 year old is capable of causing serious injuries to another 6 year old.
And that's why you remove the child from the classroom.

I am baffled how the principal was so helpless to do anything but call the police. Seems to me they would have some kind of training to deal with such a thing. Three adults should be able to manage an out of control six year old.
Well, a smack on the bottom does wonders for out of control children. But when they don't have that option, what can they do? Reason with her? Three adults could certainly hold her down and hog tie her, but then you are back to using handcuffs, or perhaps schools should keep straightjackets on hand for these emergencies?
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Post by FBM » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Beat the children for a better tomorrow! :prof:
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Post by FBM » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:55 pm

A beating a day keeps the handcuffs away, I've always said. :indub:
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Post by mistermack » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:06 pm

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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:27 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
Twoflower wrote:She may have been on medication that makes her prone to rage. At the daycare I use to work at there was a kid who had behavioral problems and when the doctor put him on new meds the side affects made him even worse. He would smash things and have tantrums, run away, and sprained another teachers wrist when she was trying to get him under control. Once he got off those meds he was back to being a sweet kid about 90% of the time. And no the cops were not called at any time.
You also have to consider the danger she can pose to other children. A wild out of control 6 year old is capable of causing serious injuries to another 6 year old.
And that's why you remove the child from the classroom.

I am baffled how the principal was so helpless to do anything but call the police. Seems to me they would have some kind of training to deal with such a thing. Three adults should be able to manage an out of control six year old.
Think it through.

What could they do but physically restrain the child. That would require the school staff to use force, like forcibly restraining the child. Do they hold her down with their hands or do they use a restraint?

Apparently, they tried measures short of touching the girl. But, the girl would not stop. If they picked her up and held her, and the child started flailing and hitting the staff, what would they do? Bind her? What if the physical contact resulted in a bruise or even a slight reddening of the skin due to the friction of contact? What would the parents say then if the title of the article was, "School staff assault 6 year old for throwing a tantrum," or "school staff put 6 year old in restraints?

This is a no win situation for staff. They handed it over to law enforcement. Good. And, the handcuffs were probably those zip-style plastic thingies, and not old-school metal cuffs. It's just a restraint to keep the girl from hurting herself or others, or others' property.

Frankly, the parents are out of line here. Their daughter needs to be treated, or taught, so that she does not behave like this. The parents should apologize to the principal on behalf of the child and thank the police officers for ensuring the girl's safety, and they should offer to meet with school and police to determine the best way to get help for their girl. Griping about how this was handled demonstrates part of what must be wrong with these parents.

And, they ought receive a stiff citation for naming the kid "Salecia."

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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:25 pm

redunderthebed wrote:
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Thumpalumpacus wrote:Perhaps if the parents had done a better job, they wouldn't have to use the media to criticize the police being called on their daughter.
And :dis:
If it was that simple i'm sure we wouldn't be at that point. Alot of the time they are good parents but helpless to control a kid who is out of control.

Although its an extreme example the cops being called out to schools isnt uncommon. :ddpan:
Well, it really is pretty simple when children are that age, I think. They crave parental approval and will try to please their parents. The judicious withholding of approval is a powerful parenting tool, as is the judicious application of punishment. This has to happen before they get to be six years old and in school, though.
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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by laklak » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:21 am

Send her to the colonies.
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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by FBM » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:40 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:
redunderthebed wrote:
FBM wrote:
Thumpalumpacus wrote:Perhaps if the parents had done a better job, they wouldn't have to use the media to criticize the police being called on their daughter.
And :dis:
If it was that simple i'm sure we wouldn't be at that point. Alot of the time they are good parents but helpless to control a kid who is out of control.

Although its an extreme example the cops being called out to schools isnt uncommon. :ddpan:
Well, it really is pretty simple when children are that age, I think. They crave parental approval and will try to please their parents. The judicious withholding of approval is a powerful parenting tool, as is the judicious application of punishment. This has to happen before they get to be six years old and in school, though.
Yeah, by age six, if the parent hasn't figured out how to control their kid AND have failed to teach the kid how to control him/herself in public, that's not a good parent. If the kid has a medical condition that causes outbursts, then it's the parents' responsibility to have the kid treated and/or sent to an educational facility that is designed for children with such conditions. I don't know enough about that particular family to say which is the case here, but if my child acted like that - barring a sudden medical issue - I'd not only thank the cops, but I'd apologize to the principal and teachers who had to endure such abuse. Then I'd take my child home and teach him/her how to behave in public.
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Re: Six Year Old Handcuffed and Hauled to the Police Station

Post by Thumpalumpacus » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:53 am

It wasn't difficult with my son. I know that there can be complicating factors (and there might be here, for all I know), but 6-year-olds aren't dumb. This behavior, too, is learned ... somewhere.
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