FFRF gets its panties in a twist

[Seth]

Problem is, it's not illegal for a business to discriminate based on POLITICAL (or any other) belief. It's perfectly legal to refuse to serve Democrats, or Progressives or Communists...or atheists.

And if every business in a community decides to refuse service to Libertarians or Republicans?

They open their own.

What if those Libertarians or Republicans don't have the means to move to a more welcoming area?

Not the community's problem. One can always mount shank's mares and plod on to more salubrious environs, as so many people have demonstrated since the beginning of time. Moses wandered in the desert for 40 years. The Pioneers walked 2000 miles across the continent to find a better place to live in Oregon or California or Colorado with nothing more than the clothes on their backs, a few meager possessions, and (in the case of the Mormons) a hand-made wheeled cart or (in the case of others) a covered wagon and a team of oxen paid for by scrimping and saving (and not buying crack, marijuana and iPhones) for months or years.

If they can do it, you can do it, and the dependent class ghetto-dwellers in Detroit can do it too. Until they try it, until they get up off their fat Twinkie-and-pork-rind fed asses, sell their iPods, cell phones and flat-screen TVs, cancel the cable service, give up the meth and crack and walk to where the jobs are (if they can't afford a bus ticket), they can drop dead of starvation in their government-owned ghetto tenements for all I care.

It's not my job to labor on their behalf or sacrifice the fruits of my labor to keep them alive for even one more day. It's my labor, and my fruits, and those selfish collectivist dependent-class proletarian fucks can't have it. Not one dime of it. And I'll do whatever is necessary to deny them my property, even if it means foregoing "income" that can be taxed and living in the grey areas to avoid having my property taken by force by the government to serve that useless scum. I've paid my last dime in taxes to the federal government for the benefit of the indolent and cupidinous.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This thread is self-Sething.

[Seth]

Race discrimination - sex discrimination, etc in housing and employment -- those things are prohibited because there were rational, demonstrable public policy reasons to prohibit them, and very little in the way of any positive argument in favor of them.

Correct. I like to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate discrimination in public accommodation by distinguishing between a "class," which is to say a status that one does not generally have a choice about being in, like sex or race or physical ability, and a "membership," which is to say something that one makes a free choice to be or do, such as being a Democrat or a Communist. The sole exception to this is religion, which is actually a membership not a class, but which is protected as a fundamental tenet of our society, which was founded on the principle of freedom of expression of religion.

But, the fact that we prohibit things that have a history of invidious discrimination and which are otherwise pointless and counter-productive, doesn't mean that ALL discrimination of every kind likewise needs to be or should be prohibited.

Yup. Discrimination is, with certain rare exceptions, an actual protected civil right protected by the First Amendment's Freedom of Association Clause. It has been pointed out by members of the Supreme Court in rulings that the right to freely associate clearly implies an equal right to freely NOT associate, which is precisely the definition of "discrimination."

It is liberals, Democrats and Progressives who like to create red-herring arguments against any and all "discrimination" merely because of the negative connotation of the term, but I like to try to recover the term and give it it's proper meaning, which is to make choices about this or that person based on personal preference, not it's Big Lie-assigned meaning of disparaging the rights of someone else by refusing to associate with or serve them.

Discrimination against Republicans is done all the time -- like -- when a State prohibits Republicans from voting in Democratic primaries. Doesn't seem to be a problem there. Maybe someone wants to open a bar and grill for Democrats only, so that Democrats will have a place to go to talk politics free from asshole Republicans and Libertarians mucking up the mix with their bullshit? If there is a market for that, it seems reasonable to me that it can be met.

Happens all the time. To wit: Biker bars and Gay bars. And biker bars ought to be allowed to ban gays, just as gay bars ought to be allowed to ban straights, and men's bars ought to be allowed to ban women, and women's bars ought to be allowed to ban men, and Catholic bars ought to be allowed to ban Baptists...not that it's really necessary to do so.

[Coito ergo sum]

Take this you swine

Load of garbage.

[Seth]

Take this you swine

Load of garbage.

From a people who have no guns and a bred-in servile nature that prevents them from achieving anything of the kind, fortunately.