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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon May 28, 2018 5:41 pm

--not necessarily for the player, but for the listener... It may be because you can't find your place in it, or because it never gets anywhere, or because it pulls you mercilessly in a single direction -forever- or it completely disorients you, whatever, it's just difficult. Post that music here.


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Re: Difficult Music

Post by Rum » Mon May 28, 2018 6:01 pm

That's lovely. Mind you I like a lot of jazz.

How about this:

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Post by cronus » Mon May 28, 2018 6:01 pm

Some discordance in that piece. Can find something there myself. Got plenty of Jazz and that aspect is a learnt aspect, not natural to go from a 0 to 1 and even less a 0 to 1000, although it does help to have some experience of Laplacian operators to understand the possibility here.

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Post by laklak » Mon May 28, 2018 7:36 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w02O-Xd ... w02O-XdsXE[/youtube]

You can also try some Wild Man Fischer.

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Post by Rum » Mon May 28, 2018 7:44 pm

laklak wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 7:36 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w02O-Xd ... w02O-XdsXE[/youtube]

You can also try some Wild Man Fischer.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHqR1Rql5r8 youtube]
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Re: Difficult Music

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon May 28, 2018 8:38 pm

That's lovely. Mind you I like a lot of jazz.
Let's not associate difficult with bad. It can be difficult and bad, or just difficult, or just bad etc. For the purposes of this thread it's not necessary that you think the music is bad, just difficult. The jazz is definitely difficult because it requires effort on my part to discover if I'll enjoy it or not. Some difficult music may not be difficult for you anymore, but you can still post the music if it ever was difficult for you.

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Post by LucidFlight » Mon May 28, 2018 8:53 pm

Eclectic. I like it, laklak.

And now feel the difficulty of drawn bows across their melancholy sound boxes in mildly discordant disquietude.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon May 28, 2018 9:24 pm

Some people feel that the work of composer Aaron Funk, known also as Venetian Snares, is a kind of tuned car wreck, but I find it strangely beautiful. The following selections are from what some refer to as his romantic period.


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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 29, 2018 1:29 am

I was a big Midnight Oils fan when I was younger (still love some of their music, just don't really listen to it anymore), and this song used to be really hard for me to listen to. I'm generally lyric deaf. By that, I mean that lyrics to me are often more like another musical instrument than a message of words. So I'd loved this song, but hadn't really paid any attention to the words that were spoken. I should say, that Midnight Oil in general were one of the bands who's lyrics I did actually pay attention to, as they usually contained a political message that I also held strongly myself. But this song wasn't political, as far as I could tell.

Anyway, one day I saw an interview on the tele with the lead singer, Peter Garrett, and he explained that this song was about family and how he's mourned the loss of his mother and father. And he was very emotional and cracking up while he explained this. And this hit me really hard, as I'd lost both of my parents when I was young, my father only a few years before hearing this song. So all of a sudden it became this mournful cry. Peter Garrett was heavily involved with environmental issues in the rainforests of Tasmania, the same rainforests I had walked and come to absolutely love. A temperate rainforest is a cold and often kind of bleak place, but has a solitary beauty and wilderness quality. So the "valley" in this song was always a cold and dense rainforest valley in the Tasmanian wilderness. I used to picture him or I walking this valley mourning the loss of the people we loved most. It became a very emotional song for me.

To preface the following, I have never before now seen the music clip of this song. I also haven't listened to the song for probably near on 20 years. So I found the vevo music clip, and, lol. It's all bright colours and happy people strumming guitars in beautiful and relaxed parts of Australia. And the guitars! Their notes are bright and clear and cheerful! Not at all as I remember the song, nor as I expected the video clip to appear. :D. Anyway, mourning the loss of my parents is in the far distant past. So I haven't had to reach for the pharmaceuticals after watching this now.



I should add that Peter Garrett's music is difficult for me now because of his most recent political activities where he sold out his ethics and became the environment minister for the largely neoliberal Australian Labor Party. I think he learnt a harsh lesson there. He should have joined the Greens, the tool.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 29, 2018 1:32 am

By the way, if anyone should get to play Peter Garrett in the movie of his life, it should be Hugh Laurie... :D

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 29, 2018 1:45 am

LucidFlight wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 8:53 pm
Eclectic. I like it, laklak.

And now feel the difficulty of drawn bows across their melancholy sound boxes in mildly discordant disquietude.

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This reminds me (because of bows on cello-y strings) of other music I find hard to listen to. Anything that has dark under- (or over-) tones. So that includes some metal, or anything about suicide. But in terms of bows across the strings, with a mix of metal too, it's got to be Apocalyptica. But it's not one of their "metal" songs that I find the most wrenching to listen to, it's this song. To be clear, I fucking love it, but it's just a real psychological workout for me to listen to it.

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Post by Hermit » Tue May 29, 2018 1:58 am

The Well Tempered Clavier starts off easily enough. The first praeludium could just about serve as elevator music. The following fugue is almost as innocuous, but you'll already get the impression that Bach is going somewhere, and where it is he's going becomes clear soon enough by the time the second fugue starts. The Well Tempered Clavier is a four hour lesson and thesis rolled into one. Before long I just sit there uncomprehendingly, though still enjoying the sheer spectacle. Background noise it is not.



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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 29, 2018 2:08 am

When I was younger and more concerned about my image, it was de rigueur for all us young Gen X slackers to like and know about all the weird-arse side projects our favourite musicians/bands had. And being a Faith No More fan, and particularly a Mike Patton fan, I tortured myself trying to listen to and understand the following type of shit from one of his weird side projects - Mr Bungle.

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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue May 29, 2018 3:59 am

There have been some great posts already! :cheers:

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Re: Difficult Music

Post by laklak » Tue May 29, 2018 4:30 am

Rahsaan Roland Kirk. One fuck of a saxophonist, but ….

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