The thirteenth musical thrill: what are you listening to?
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“Better to lose a battle than to fight the Persians in their own land.” Ancient Greek proverb
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“Better to lose a battle than to fight the Persians in their own land.” Ancient Greek proverb
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“Better to lose a battle than to fight the Persians in their own land.” Ancient Greek proverb
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Oof, I’m trying to walk it off, one foot in front of the other motherfuckers… 
I think my barber may have the Shine.
"For that state in which the law is subject and has no authority, I perceive to be on the highway to ruin; but I see that the state in which the law is above the rulers, and the rulers are the inferiors of the law, has salvation, and every blessing which the Gods can confer." --Plato
Yeah, yeah, don't get excited. That asshole would have encouraged you to continue to follow the law regardless of your leaders too...
"For that state in which the law is subject and has no authority, I perceive to be on the highway to ruin; but I see that the state in which the law is above the rulers, and the rulers are the inferiors of the law, has salvation, and every blessing which the Gods can confer." --Plato
Yeah, yeah, don't get excited. That asshole would have encouraged you to continue to follow the law regardless of your leaders too...
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“Better to lose a battle than to fight the Persians in their own land.” Ancient Greek proverb
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I think my barber may have the Shine.
"For that state in which the law is subject and has no authority, I perceive to be on the highway to ruin; but I see that the state in which the law is above the rulers, and the rulers are the inferiors of the law, has salvation, and every blessing which the Gods can confer." --Plato
Yeah, yeah, don't get excited. That asshole would have encouraged you to continue to follow the law regardless of your leaders too...
"For that state in which the law is subject and has no authority, I perceive to be on the highway to ruin; but I see that the state in which the law is above the rulers, and the rulers are the inferiors of the law, has salvation, and every blessing which the Gods can confer." --Plato
Yeah, yeah, don't get excited. That asshole would have encouraged you to continue to follow the law regardless of your leaders too...
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History gives multiple examples of ageing, cornered, or declining narcissistic leaders who, facing loss of power, chose *scorched‑earth* actions that harmed their and other nations or followers rather than accept personal diminishment. The pattern is well‑documented: when their grandiose self‑image collapses, they would rather drag the world down with them than face irrelevance.
Below are concrete, sourced examples.
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**1. Adolf Hitler — “If the German people fail me, they deserve to perish.”** In the final months of WWII, Hitler explicitly embraced a *take‑the‑world‑with‑me* mindset. As defeat became inevitable, he ordered the destruction of Germany’s remaining infrastructure (the **Nero Decree**) — a scorched‑earth directive intended to leave the nation ruined rather than allow it to exist without him.
[WatchMojo](https://www.watchmojo.com/articles/10-w ... ever-lived)
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**2. Richard Nixon — escalation and denial as his presidency collapsed** During the Watergate unraveling, Nixon approved secret bombing campaigns in Vietnam and Cambodia, contributing to thousands of civilian deaths. Even after being caught, he refused to admit wrongdoing and focused on preserving his legacy rather than the consequences of his actions.
[WatchMojo](https://www.watchmojo.com/articles/10-w ... ever-lived)
This is a classic narcissistic end‑stage pattern: *preserve the self‑image at any cost, even if institutions burn.*
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**3. Saddam Hussein — catastrophic wars and internal purges** As his regime aged and his grip weakened, Saddam initiated the Gulf War, attempted genocide against Kurdish populations, and oversaw disappearances of hundreds of thousands of citizens. His need for absolute control escalated into mass destruction, even as the regime’s stability deteriorated.
[WatchMojo](https://www.watchmojo.com/articles/10-w ... ever-lived)
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**4. Caligula — violent spectacle and cruelty as his rule destabilised** Ancient but relevant: Caligula’s late‑stage rule involved extreme violence, forced suicides, and grandiose self‑deification (including plans to erect a statue of himself as Zeus). His behaviour intensified as opposition grew — a narcissistic spiral toward destructive excess.
[WatchMojo](https://www.watchmojo.com/articles/10-w ... ever-lived)
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**5. Joseph Stalin — purges that continued even as his health declined** Stalin’s late‑life paranoia drove further purges, surveillance, and terror. Millions were killed under his rule, and the destructive policies persisted even as his physical and cognitive decline accelerated.
[lsfellowship.missouri.edu](https://lsfellowship.missouri.edu/artic ... ous-rulers)
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**6. Idi Amin — economic collapse and ethnic violence** Amin’s regime deteriorated into brutality and economic ruin. As his power waned, violence escalated, contributing to decades of poverty and institutional weakness in Uganda.
[lsfellowship.missouri.edu](https://lsfellowship.missouri.edu/artic ... ous-rulers)
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**7. Pol Pot — genocide as ideological and personal collapse converged** Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge regime committed systematic genocide. As the regime weakened, the violence intensified — a catastrophic example of a leader destroying a nation rather than relinquishing control.
[lsfellowship.missouri.edu](https://lsfellowship.missouri.edu/artic ... ous-rulers)
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**8. Kim Jong‑il — famine and militarisation despite national suffering** Kim Jong‑il’s late‑stage rule maintained extreme isolation and militarisation even as famine killed hundreds of thousands. His refusal to change course reflects the narcissistic pattern: *better the nation starve than the leader lose face.*
[lsfellowship.missouri.edu](https://lsfellowship.missouri.edu/artic ... ous-rulers)
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**9. Mobutu Sese Seko — kleptocracy until the very end** Mobutu plundered national wealth for decades. Even as his health declined and the state collapsed, he continued extracting resources, leaving the country in persistent instability and underdevelopment.
[lsfellowship.missouri.edu](https://lsfellowship.missouri.edu/artic ... ous-rulers)
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**The pattern behind all these cases** Across these examples, the same psychological mechanism appears:
- **Grandiose self‑image collapses → rage, paranoia, and vindictiveness.**
- **Loss of control → destructive impulses escalate.**
- **The leader’s identity is fused with the state → “If I fall, the nation falls.”**
- **End‑stage narcissism → scorched‑earth behaviour.**
This is not metaphor. It’s a documented trajectory of malignant narcissistic leadership:
“Better to lose a battle than to fight the Persians in their own land.” Ancient Greek proverb
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