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Post by Seth » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:42 am

Blind groper wrote:On Jihad

I was talking recently with a Muslim friend, and asked him about Jihad. He told me that most Muslims now believe that Jihad is the fight against evil. He and other NZ Muslims believe that eliminating evil in their own behaviour is part of Jihad, and fighting against ISIS is Jihad, since they are evil.
Glad to hear it, but did you ask him to define "evil" in the Islamic context, because jihadis define "evil" as "the United States and all non-Muslims."

This is, as I told you, the problem with believing anything a Muslim says because they are explicitly permitted to lie to you, including by omission. So when they say "fight against evil" you have to very carefully and explicitly get them to define exactly what Islam considers "evil." Further, their statement that "evil in their own behavior is part of jihad" they are temporizing and could be lying by omission. Sure, in most religions conquering the evil in yourself is one of the things a believer is challenged to do, but it is not the ONLY thing that Muslims are commanded to do, and therein lies the lie by omission and the deceitful mendacity that Muslims are explicitly called upon to present to infidels like you.

If you want to get a true read on what your friend believes you have to be prepared to ask for and insist on truthful answers that, by their nature, show that he absolutely abjures and excludes imposing ANY aspect of Islam on ANYONE other than himself and is willing to swear to Allah that he has absolutely no hidden agenda or intent to engage in jihad in any way, even through silent support, no intent to enslave infidels as Allah commands, and no intent to support the establishment of a Caliphate, not merely an opposition to ISIS, but opposition to the very idea of jihad and the Caliphate.

And I'm reasonably certain that if you question him closely and carefully and close each and every loophole he puts up in his responses, such as the ones I've revealed above, that he will eventually get angry, accuse you of Islamophobia and will both cease to be your "friend" and will walk away rather than risk his entry to Paradise or his actual, factual neck by announcing that he is a Muslim apostate.
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Post by Seth » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:49 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Yeah, a lot of these terms are misunderstood by rednecks and bogans. Same with Sharia Law. It doesn't necessarily mean Taliban/ISIS type law. It is Islamic law, but it doesn't have to be as regressive as most people think. Not that I support religious law of any type.
You sure as fuck sound like an islamophile to me. You have bitched endlessly about Catholics and their practices but when it comes to Muslims you seem to prefer having their dick up your ass.

Sharia law is sharia law. It's written down in the Koran and it's pretty fucking specific in it's "regressive" attitudes and commandments, not to mention its punishments for violating it.

It's fucking evil incarnate, even more so than Marxism and you, of all people, should be saying so. I can't believe that you're a Muslim-lover who's willing to suck Muslim cock when you should be taking up arms against them because they sure as hell want to fuck you up the ass with their religion.

It's just unbelievable how ALL of you, except perhaps Scrumple, are being apologists for the most barbaric, most dangerous religion that exists on the planet today.

Some fucking Atheists you all are. :fp:
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Re: Stalins murdered millions

Post by JimC » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:25 am

Blind groper wrote:On Jihad

I was talking recently with a Muslim friend, and asked him about Jihad. He told me that most Muslims now believe that Jihad is the fight against evil. He and other NZ Muslims believe that eliminating evil in their own behaviour is part of Jihad, and fighting against ISIS is Jihad, since they are evil.
Sorry, BG, but I think that's spin, by someone embarrassed by a section of his fellow muslims; he, like the majority, are not terrorists, but they sometimes gloss over the raw facts. Jihad is truly holy war against the infidel, there are those that are 100% committed to it, and pretending it is some sort of moral stance which the terrorists have sadly got wrong makes a mockery of the term.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:48 am

Jihad ISNT "holy war" against the infidel. And Sharia ISNT necessarily Talibanesque. I'm not surprised to see Seth is totally clueless on this, but Jim, you should know better.

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Post by Seth » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:58 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Jihad ISNT "holy war" against the infidel. And Sharia ISNT necessarily Talibanesque. I'm not surprised to see Seth is totally clueless on this, but Jim, you should know better.

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
What a remarkable bit of hypocrisy from you, the arch-anti Catholic. How's that Muslim cock taste?

Hey, wait! It just occurred to me that perhaps the reason you are so virulently anti-Christian but such a staunch Muslim apologist is because you ARE a Muslim!

That explains a LOT!
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Post by JimC » Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:46 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Jihad ISNT "holy war" against the infidel. And Sharia ISNT necessarily Talibanesque. I'm not surprised to see Seth is totally clueless on this, but Jim, you should know better.

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
Might be technically true, but the fundamentalist muslims who are actually doing all the nasty stuff understand jihad in exactly the way I stated, and their actions speak louder than any amount of theological waffle from other muslims.
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Post by Hermit » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:05 am

Jihad
Muslims and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Many observers—both Muslim and non-Muslim—as well as the Dictionary of Islam, talk of jihad having two meanings: an inner spiritual struggle (the "greater jihad"), and an outer physical struggle against the enemies of Islam (the "lesser jihad") which may take a violent or non-violent form. Jihad is often translated as "Holy War", although this term is controversial. According to orientalist Bernard Lewis, "the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists", and specialists in the hadith "understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense." Javed Ahmad Ghamidi states that there is consensus among Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:03 am

Jihad can be waged against fellow Muslims. It's not limited to non-believers.
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Post by Seth » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:55 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Jihad can be waged against fellow Muslims. It's not limited to non-believers.
Who cares? I don't care if they want to kill each other, I only care if they want to kill anyone else.
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Post by JimC » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:59 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Jihad can be waged against fellow Muslims. It's not limited to non-believers.
True or not, it doesn't change the fact that it is violence in the name of religion. BG's post, with the soft-spin apologetics "Jihad is the fight against evil" is not the reality.

And I say that, well knowing that the real proponents of jihad are a small minority of muslims, but one with effects and damage well out of proportion to their numbers.
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Post by rainbow » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:42 am

Śiva wrote:Seth is a radical Imam. I knew it all along.
Clearly.

Quoting the prophet to justify his extreme ideas. I do hope he's on one of those "watch lists".

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:33 am

rEvolutionist wrote:There's not a lot of difference between the execptionalism and old testament conservatism of the neocons and Islamic extremists.
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