The case against guns

[Collector1337]

Problem: Gun violence.
Solution: More guns.
Ayup, that must be it.

Why is it that anti-gun nuts only complain and see the problem as "gun violence" and not just all violence in general?

It's like as long as there is no "gun violence" they're perfectly happy, and don't give a shit when then all other violence goes up.

I'd much rather have more "gun violence" but less overall crime, then have less "gun violence" but more overall crime.

1. I challenge you to find a single utterance by me in support of prohibiting the ownership of guns.

2. I have consistently pointed out that - in Australia at least - trends in violent crimes (as well as nonviolent ones, come to think of it) are not in lockstep with the rate of ownership of guns. If you care to think of it, that fact gives comfort to neither the pro-gun lobby, nor the anti-gun lobby.

One thing that is worth noting in regard to the availability of firearms relates to handgun homicides: Between 2007 and 2011 there were between 6115 and 7398 of them in the USA each year and between 3 and 9 in Australia, which works out to a range of 1.98 - 2.46 and 0.01 - 0.03 respectively per 100,000 people.

Due to the earth's massive overpopulation problem, I am perfectly happy with those numbers and have no desire to impose more laws which restrict my freedom. The faster the population grows, the sooner the demise of the human race.

Also, all crime in general has been dropping off, declining every decade for a while now.

I see no cause for concern when taking into account these factors.

[Collector1337]

Where do I remember hearing that before?



Was it when they were talking about a black person becoming President?

"It'll never happen in America."

"They?"

Who said that? Because I sure didn't.

[Tero]

Lawmaker leaves 9mm in toilet:
>>public restroom in the state Capitol last week. According to a Capitol Police incident report, a Kahr CM9 9mm pistol—later claimed by House Speaker Tim Jones’ legislative assistant Dave Evans—was found on top of the toilet paper dispenser in a men's restroom in the Capitol basement Friday. The incident report states that the gun “was fully loaded with one round in the chamber and six rounds in the magazine.” Capitol police returned the gun to Evans after Jones’ secretary Lisa Bondurant called to report that it was misplaced. The incident report states that Evans didn't have paperwork for the gun with him, but he "offered a very detailed description of the weapon and the holster (and) was able to identify the weapon by the brand, caliber, color, size, the holster and the ammunition count and type that was in the weapon." Evans did not immediately respond to a call from ..<<<
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/29/ ... AIL-XXXVII

[Tero]

Lawmaker leaves 9mm in toilet:
>>public restroom in the state Capitol last week. According to a Capitol Police incident report, a Kahr CM9 9mm pistol—later claimed by House Speaker Tim Jones’ legislative assistant Dave Evans—was found on top of the toilet paper dispenser in a men's restroom in the Capitol basement Friday. The incident report states that the gun “was fully loaded with one round in the chamber and six rounds in the magazine.” Capitol police returned the gun to Evans after Jones’ secretary Lisa Bondurant called to report that it was misplaced. The incident report states that Evans didn't have paperwork for the gun with him, but he "offered a very detailed description of the weapon and the holster (and) was able to identify the weapon by the brand, caliber, color, size, the holster and the ammunition count and type that was in the weapon." Evans did not immediately respond to a call from ..<<<
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/29/ ... AIL-XXXVII

[Seth]

Lawmaker leaves 9mm in toilet:
>>public restroom in the state Capitol last week. According to a Capitol Police incident report, a Kahr CM9 9mm pistol—later claimed by House Speaker Tim Jones’ legislative assistant Dave Evans—was found on top of the toilet paper dispenser in a men's restroom in the Capitol basement Friday. The incident report states that the gun “was fully loaded with one round in the chamber and six rounds in the magazine.” Capitol police returned the gun to Evans after Jones’ secretary Lisa Bondurant called to report that it was misplaced. The incident report states that Evans didn't have paperwork for the gun with him, but he "offered a very detailed description of the weapon and the holster (and) was able to identify the weapon by the brand, caliber, color, size, the holster and the ammunition count and type that was in the weapon." Evans did not immediately respond to a call from ..<<<
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/29/ ... AIL-XXXVII

Yeah? So? What's your point? Shit happens.

And it wasn't a "lawmaker" it was an office flunky.

Bad thing to do, but of no consequence to anyone but the owner, who is deeply embarrassed. No crime committed even. Happens to cops all the time by the way.

I worked out a specific public toilet protocol for dealing with my pistol because I ALMOST did the same thing after placing the gun on the toilet tank.

Now unfasten my belt, hold up my trousers, remove my pistol from its holster and place it in the crotch of my pants (under the underwear for sanitary reasons) as I sit down. That way I cannot stand and pull my pants up without having to deal with the firearm.

Individual carelessness or stupidity on the part of a few people has never been an adequate excuse for regulating an entire lawful activity. In some states he could be charged with a misdemeanor for leaving his pistol unattended in a public toilet or anywhere else. But, while a valid cautionary tale, no harm was done here, so no regulation is needed.

[Gallstones]

[Coito ergo sum]

The Skepchick makes a good case both for and against guns. In an article out today, Watson says that she receives death threats. One time in 2005, among others, she was told by a man in North Carolina that if he lived in Boston he would put a bullet in her brain. She went on to write --

I checked his IP address and found he was most likely writing from North Carolina. I called the Boston police and described the exchange. They told me there wasn’t much they could do because he apparently lived in another state. They offered to take down a report, but admitted that nothing would come of it unless someone one day put a bullet in my brain, at which point they’d have a pretty good lead.

http://skepchick.org/2013/10/why-i-dont ... -the-cops/

This is a great argument against guns, because if nobody had a gun, then nobody could put a bullet in anyone's brain.

However, if there are guns out there, it is a good argument for guns, because obviously, Ms. Watson can't get any protection from law enforcement. They can only investigate after someone does something. So, wouldn't it behoove her to defend herself?

[Tero]

So? Collect all the guns. Have people hunt and shoot each other with bow and arrow. Much cooler hobby.

[Seth]

So? Collect all the guns.

You going to volunteer to be the first "federal agent" headed out into rural Kentucky (or anywhere else) to "collect" their guns? You'll collect them alright, 168 grains at a time, delivered at 2700 feet per second or more from a half-mile away or more, I absolutely guarantee it.

I also guarantee you that every federal agent out there want's to go home to his wife and kids at the end of shift, and trying to "collect" guns from US citizens is a really good way not to do so. Hell, they do poorly at "collecting" them from the tiny percentage of armed criminals in society. What makes you think they can effectively do so to 150 million people? Why would they even try?

[Collector1337]

So? Collect all the guns.

You know how the saying goes... "From my cold dead hands." But really, it'd be the other way around. Trying to remove guns from the American public is a fool's errand.


And even if that did happen, which it never would, I'd just make them in my garage.

It's an inanimate object. There's nothing you can do to stop me from just building whatever I want. Absolutely nothing.

[Coito ergo sum]

So? Collect all the guns. Have people hunt and shoot each other with bow and arrow. Much cooler hobby.

Well, so that would be someone in favor of a total gun ban. Most of the time the anti-gunners suggest that they are not "coming to get your guns" -- this sort of attitude seems to reflect that the "paranoia" of gun owners that antigunners dont just want "reasonable regulation." It indicates more of a complete gun ban attitude.

[Coito ergo sum]

So? Collect all the guns. Have people hunt and shoot each other with bow and arrow. Much cooler hobby.

And, that doesn't really solve Ms. Watson's problem, does it? If a guy is threatening her life, and all the cops can do is investigate after she's been killed, then isn't it better for Ms. Watson to at least have a fighting chance? My suspicion is that Ms. Watson would not win a knife fight with a grown man bent on killing her either. Wouldn't you agree?

The Colt 45 used to be called "the great equalizer" because it gave people who would be at a disadvantage the opportunity to even the match.

[Gallstones]

Homemede/DIY How you going to collect them, regulate them, register them?

[Collector1337]

Homemede/DIY How you going to collect them, regulate them, register them?

Except instead of zip guns, it'd be stamped receiver AKs because they're so easy to make.

[Seth]

Homemede/DIY How you going to collect them, regulate them, register them?

Except instead of zip guns, it'd be stamped receiver AKs because they're so easy to make.

Fuck yah! The Paki's and 'Ghani's make some excellent firearms with little more than a hammer and a file and a block of steel.