Guns used for lawful self defense Pt. 4

[Seth]

Peace through superior firepower. Trust an asshole to bring a sword to a gunfight. Of course there's the preacher in Utah who used his Samurai sword to put a stop to an attack on his neighbor. Any tool that will do the job will do.

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So? The obvious difference, which you are apparently unable to comprehend, is that defending oneself against a criminal attacker and being an insane despotic Marxist dictator threatening to fire nukes at all and sundry are two entirely different things, the former being ethically and morally proper, and the latter being justification for dropping a neutron bomb on Pyongyang to cut the head off the snake.

You're falsely trying to draw a moral equivalence between two utterly and diametrically opposed positions, which is just ignorant, ideological bloviation.

Like I said, peace through superior firepower. Worked against the USSR. No reason it won't work against Pyongyang or your local violent criminal.

[Pappa]

What about MAD?

[Seth]

What about MAD?

Worked with the USSR, but they were at least partially sane. North Korea is lead by madmen who need to be extirpated from the face of the earth for the protection of the rest of the planet.

[Pappa]

What about MAD?

Worked with the USSR, but they were at least partially sane. North Korea is lead by madmen who need to be extirpated from the face of the earth for the protection of the rest of the planet.

I was referring to the "peace through superior firepower" bit wrt USSR. It didn't matter whose firepower was superior, as either side's firepower would be absolutely devestating if ever used.

[Seth]

What about MAD?

Worked with the USSR, but they were at least partially sane. North Korea is lead by madmen who need to be extirpated from the face of the earth for the protection of the rest of the planet.

I was referring to the "peace through superior firepower" bit wrt USSR. It didn't matter whose firepower was superior, as either side's firepower would be absolutely devestating if ever used.

Of course it matters. While the result would be devastating, it does matter who has the firepower in the first place. The USSR would not have gotten to nuclear parity with the US if not for the infiltration and infestation of communist agents, spies and fellow travelers into the US government starting in the 1930s and reaching its peak in the 1950s, when Sen. Joseph McCarthy, and a large number of other patriotic American politicians, officials and citizens realized the imminent danger to our nation and began rooting out and exposing the communists in our government.

We must not allow North Korea to have even ONE nuclear weapon, or even ONE delivery system to deliver it outside of North Korea. We must instead wipe out the leadership of North Korea as quickly and decisively as possible and free the oppressed Korean people from the despotism and tyranny that's been starving them to death for half a century.

[Blind groper]

We must not allow North Korea to have even ONE nuclear weapon, or even ONE delivery system to deliver it outside of North Korea. We must instead wipe out the leadership of North Korea as quickly and decisively as possible and free the oppressed Korean people from the despotism and tyranny that's been starving them to death for half a century.

Yeah, that policy worked so well in Viet Nam, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. By that definition all the militants in the American government are insane, plus every person who supports their crazy policies.

[Seth]

We must not allow North Korea to have even ONE nuclear weapon, or even ONE delivery system to deliver it outside of North Korea. We must instead wipe out the leadership of North Korea as quickly and decisively as possible and free the oppressed Korean people from the despotism and tyranny that's been starving them to death for half a century.

Yeah, that policy worked so well in Viet Nam, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. By that definition all the militants in the American government are insane, plus every person who supports their crazy policies.

You're right. The real problem is our tactics and strategy. We tend to muck about with half-measures because the politicians in charge don't want to do their jobs.

We need to get out of the nation destroying/rebuilding cycle and just destroy our enemies and keep them destroyed so they never pose a threat again. Fuck the rebuilding part.

The problem with EVERY situation you cited is that we didn't turn loose the dogs of war and let them do their job the way it needs to be done, we insisted on asinine and dangerous "rules of engagement" that tied the hands of our soldiers and made them little more than military jokes and corpses.

One should avoid war whenever possible, but when you commit to war, you MUST commit to it absolutely and without mercy or quarter and END IT as quickly as possible by utterly destroying your enemy's capacity to make war.

I've always said we should put women, specifically mothers, in charge of the military. We wouldn't get into "police actions" and ridiculous political pandering, but if we DID have to go to war, it would be short, brutal and bloody and we'd win decisively because those moms want their sons home as quickly as possible, with as few casualties on OUR SIDE as possible.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Don't forget to wrap up well and be back in time for dinner.

[Blind groper]

Going to war, except in extreme situations, is the mark of total incompetence on the part of leaders. Rarely are the results desirable. A much better strategy is the waiting game.

When the USSR first developed nuclear weapons, there was a faction in the USA, and in the other western allies, which wanted to go to war against them and remove the nuclear weapons. Such an action, as Hitler discovered, is expensive in the extreme, especially in terms of the millions of lives lost. Fortunately, wiser heads prevailed, and the waiting through the Cold War eventually led to a resolution without a single bullet being fired in anger.

North Korea is a sad case, but attacking them would result in more human misery and more human death, than the saner option of watching and waiting. Nations, like people, change over time. We might have to wait decades to get a benign resolution, but it will come, as long as the militarists do not get the upper hand.

[Tyrannical]

Going to war, except in extreme situations, is the mark of total incompetence on the part of leaders. Rarely are the results desirable. A much better strategy is the waiting game.

When the USSR first developed nuclear weapons, there was a faction in the USA, and in the other western allies, which wanted to go to war against them and remove the nuclear weapons. Such an action, as Hitler discovered, is expensive in the extreme, especially in terms of the millions of lives lost. Fortunately, wiser heads prevailed, and the waiting through the Cold War eventually led to a resolution without a single bullet being fired in anger.

North Korea is a sad case, but attacking them would result in more human misery and more human death, than the saner option of watching and waiting. Nations, like people, change over time. We might have to wait decades to get a benign resolution, but it will come, as long as the militarists do not get the upper hand.

Blind is right
If we attacked the USSR as soon as we found out about those Jewish spies it would have been Game Over for communism.

[Pappa]

We need to get out of the nation destroying/rebuilding cycle and just destroy our enemies and keep them destroyed so they never pose a threat again. Fuck the rebuilding part.

Unless you killed every last civilian, including woman and children, that would never work.

[Tyrannical]

We need to get out of the nation destroying/rebuilding cycle and just destroy our enemies and keep them destroyed so they never pose a threat again. Fuck the rebuilding part.

Unless you killed every last civilian, including woman and children, that would never work.

How would that have not worked? The US could have easily wiped out Afghanistan through chemical,nuclear,and biological weapons if we so choose.

[Blind groper]

Blind is right
If we attacked the USSR as soon as we found out about those Jewish spies it would have been Game Over for communism.

Wrong.

Hitler also thought that the USSR would be a push over. He devoted ten times the forces on his eastern front than he put on the western front against all the western allies combined, and the Russians drove him packing. The Russians and their allies were never pushovers. They are tough, and fight like maniacs, as Hitler's forces found to their cost.

[Tyrannical]

Blind is right
If we attacked the USSR as soon as we found out about those Jewish spies it would have been Game Over for communism.

Wrong.

Hitler also thought that the USSR would be a push over. He devoted ten times the forces on his eastern front than he put on the western front against all the western allies combined, and the Russians drove him packing. The Russians and their allies were never pushovers. They are tough, and fight like maniacs, as Hitler's forces found to their cost.

Perhaps you call yourself blind because you'd never see it coming No one was taking about "forces", The US could have easily launched chemical attacks that require full body protection and respirators against Afghanistan.

[Seth]

Don't forget to wrap up well and be back in time for dinner.

That's all you got? Pshaw! Weak.