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The gun people want it to be more difficult to track down the owners of guns who shoot kids in their schools. Kinda fits.
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Absurd strawman argument.Rum wrote:The gun people want it to be more difficult to track down the owners of guns who shoot kids in their schools. Kinda fits.
Pathetic Rum, just pathetic.
Not to mention just plain stupid. Name one school shooting where they never found out where the gun came from. Just one. I'll wait.
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Lie.Rum wrote:The gun people want it to be more difficult to track down the owners of guns who shoot kids in their schools. Kinda fits.
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"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010
The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
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Re: The case against guns
An opinion on gun control 12.20.12
Gun Free Zones
Gun Free Zones are hunting preserves for innocent people. Period.
Think about it. You are a violent, homicidal madman, looking to make a statement and hoping to go from disaffected loser to most famous person in the world. The best way to accomplish your goals is to kill a whole bunch of people. So where’s the best place to go shoot all these people? Obviously, it is someplace where nobody can shoot back.
In all honesty I have no respect for anybody who believes Gun Free Zones actually work. You are going to commit several hundred felonies, up to and including mass murder, and you are going to refrain because there is a sign? That No Guns Allowed sign is not a cross that wards off vampires. It is wishful thinking, and really pathetic wishful thinking at that.
The only people who obey No Guns signs are people who obey the law. People who obey the law aren’t going on rampages.
I testified before the Utah State Legislature about the University of Utah’s gun ban the day after the Trolley Square shooting in Salt Lake City. Another disaffected loser scumbag started shooting up this mall. He killed several innocent people before he was engaged by an off duty police officer who just happened to be there shopping. The off duty Ogden cop pinned down the shooter until two officers from the SLCPD came up from behind and killed the shooter. (turned out one of them was a customer of mine) I sent one of my employees down to Trolley Square to take a picture of the shopping center’s front doors. I then showed the picture to the legislators. One of the rules was NO GUNS ALLOWED.
The man that attacked the midnight showing of Batman didn’t attack just any theater. There were like ten to choose from. He didn’t attack the closest. It wasn’t about biggest or smallest. He attacked the one that was posted NO GUNS ALLOWED.
There were four mass killing attempts this week. Only one made the news because it helped the agreed upon media narrative.
Oregon. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter confronted by permit holder. Shooter commits suicide. Only a few casualties.
Texas. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter killed immediately by off duty cop. Only a few casualties.
Connecticut. GUN FREE ZONE. Shooters kills until the police arrive. Suicide. 26 dead.
China. GUN FREE COUNTRY. A guy with a KNIFE stabs 22 children.
And here is the nail in the coffin for Gun Free Zones. Over the last fifty years, with only one single exception (Gabby Giffords), every single mass shooting event with more than four casualties has taken place in a place where guns were supposedly not allowed.
But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010
The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
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But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010
The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter
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From that article:
As usual whenever there is a mass shooting on the news, the ignorant come out of the woodwork to pontificate about a topic they know absolutely nothing about, setting up straw men and knocking them down, and matching wits with phantoms. This one was particularly obnoxious in its self-righteousness, but it is still fairly useful in that it demonstrates a lot of the defective logic that goes into the gun control side of things.

Do Americans see these mass shootings as inevitable, something you just have to live with?

The rest of the civilised world don't seem to think so.
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“Some may say that Matt suffers from Hoplophobia, but I think it is more likely he is simply too immature to accept responsibility for his own safety, and so projects his weakness, cowardice, and feelings of inadequacy onto others… Or he might just be a moron. Flip a coin.”
Great link, GS.
Great link, GS.
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"The rest of the civilized world" can keep their snobbery and fuck off.rainbow wrote:From that article:As usual whenever there is a mass shooting on the news, the ignorant come out of the woodwork to pontificate about a topic they know absolutely nothing about, setting up straw men and knocking them down, and matching wits with phantoms. This one was particularly obnoxious in its self-righteousness, but it is still fairly useful in that it demonstrates a lot of the defective logic that goes into the gun control side of things.![]()
Do Americans see these mass shootings as inevitable, something you just have to live with?
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The rest of the civilised world don't seem to think so.
Judging another culture, by looking through the lens of your own...

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It seems that many do, at least in the sense that they shrug their shoulders, and say that, if that's the price for having an armed populace, we'll pay it...rainbow wrote:
Do Americans see these mass shootings as inevitable, something you just have to live with?
Some would even argue that the only way to reduce the incidence of gun crime in the US is to make sure everybody is armed, so those evil varmints can be gunned down by alert citizens before they kill others...

In any case, I have reached the conclusion that the US has reached a situation where tougher gun laws, at least initially, may even increase their already high murder rate. They have painted themselves into a gun culture corner...
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Oh that is fucking rich.Collector1337 wrote:"The rest of the civilized world" can keep their snobbery and fuck off.rainbow wrote:From that article:As usual whenever there is a mass shooting on the news, the ignorant come out of the woodwork to pontificate about a topic they know absolutely nothing about, setting up straw men and knocking them down, and matching wits with phantoms. This one was particularly obnoxious in its self-righteousness, but it is still fairly useful in that it demonstrates a lot of the defective logic that goes into the gun control side of things.![]()
Do Americans see these mass shootings as inevitable, something you just have to live with?
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The rest of the civilised world don't seem to think so.
Judging another culture, by looking through the lens of your own...
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Interesting that a gun nut would need to spend all his spare time with hollow point bullets and what not technicalities. With the remaining spare time he has to roam the streets and hang around outside bars and strip joint parking lots. Then maybe he might get to pull out the gun for some half way dangerous situation once a year. All he has to do is point it at the evil doers. He still did not get to shoot a real person. No orgasm! Orgasm is only achieved at the rifle range.
Fun hobby you boys and girls have. Try atheism or something.
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The rest of the civilized world is fill with idiots.rainbow wrote:From that article:As usual whenever there is a mass shooting on the news, the ignorant come out of the woodwork to pontificate about a topic they know absolutely nothing about, setting up straw men and knocking them down, and matching wits with phantoms. This one was particularly obnoxious in its self-righteousness, but it is still fairly useful in that it demonstrates a lot of the defective logic that goes into the gun control side of things.![]()
Do Americans see these mass shootings as inevitable, something you just have to live with?
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The rest of the civilised world don't seem to think so.
Shootings are inevitable, even in the UK. The question is whether or not an intended victim of a shooting is able to be armed for self-defense or if he's been deliberately and with malice aforethought disarmed by his government on the stupid notion that disarming him will have some effect on disarming his attacker.
Stupid fucks.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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Maybe.Seth wrote:The rest of the civilized world is fill with idiots.rainbow wrote:From that article:As usual whenever there is a mass shooting on the news, the ignorant come out of the woodwork to pontificate about a topic they know absolutely nothing about, setting up straw men and knocking them down, and matching wits with phantoms. This one was particularly obnoxious in its self-righteousness, but it is still fairly useful in that it demonstrates a lot of the defective logic that goes into the gun control side of things.![]()
Do Americans see these mass shootings as inevitable, something you just have to live with?
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The rest of the civilised world don't seem to think so.
Shootings are inevitable, even in the UK. The question is whether or not an intended victim of a shooting is able to be armed for self-defense or if he's been deliberately and with malice aforethought disarmed by his government on the stupid notion that disarming him will have some effect on disarming his attacker.
Stupid fucks.
...but at least they can walk down the street, send their children to school or university, go to the local church or temple - with the reasonable expectation that nobody will start shooting at them.
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