Guns Because

[orpheus]

Because it requires .22 answers?

Ah!

[Gallstones]

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."
-George Washington

LOL at the bogus quote.

Moreover, I remember the question being asked of GS (and I think Seth): for you, are firearms really second in importance to the Constitution? In other words, were the 2nd Amendment to be repealed, would you still uphold the Constitution?

I remember this being asked (perhaps it was on RatSkep, though), but I don't recall the answers. I'd be really interested to know.

A catch-22 question.
I'm not going there.

How is this a Catch-22 question?

Because any answer will be the wrong answer.

[Gallstones]

Gun Control Suffers Two [more] Setbacks

The current background check proposal was offered by Senator Chuck Schumer over the objections of several members of a bipartisan committee. Schumer intended it as a “placeholder” until a compromise could be negotiated, but that hasn’t been forthcoming.

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Progress has been stalled over background checks over the issue of whether people who sell guns directly to others should be required to keep records of the sale, in the same way that licensed dealers handle a transaction.

Senator Tom Coburn said that was a deal breaker for an expanded background check law. Senators Coburn, Schumer, Joe Manchin, and Mark Kirk have been working for the past two weeks to find a compromise on checks.

Manchin said on Monday he was trying to find a way to work with the NRA and other gun rights groups on a background check solution.

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But Manchin also acknowledged that he hadn’t been able to get a Republican with NRA ties to sign on to his plan.

Just great.

That will inevitably mean more future grieving American families as more massacres are committed by psychotics with access to weapons designed to efficiently kill human beings as rapidly as possible.

Perhaps we should have a guessing game as to which US state will have the next school massacre.

Well done those senators...

Crime is inevitable. Violent crime is inevitable.
None of these bills had any power or magic to prevent that.

I think there would be superior results in dealing with the cause over the means. The cause will always find the means.

[orpheus]

Gun Control Suffers Two [more] Setbacks

The current background check proposal was offered by Senator Chuck Schumer over the objections of several members of a bipartisan committee. Schumer intended it as a “placeholder” until a compromise could be negotiated, but that hasn’t been forthcoming.

...
Progress has been stalled over background checks over the issue of whether people who sell guns directly to others should be required to keep records of the sale, in the same way that licensed dealers handle a transaction.

Senator Tom Coburn said that was a deal breaker for an expanded background check law. Senators Coburn, Schumer, Joe Manchin, and Mark Kirk have been working for the past two weeks to find a compromise on checks.

Manchin said on Monday he was trying to find a way to work with the NRA and other gun rights groups on a background check solution.

...
But Manchin also acknowledged that he hadn’t been able to get a Republican with NRA ties to sign on to his plan.

Just great.

That will inevitably mean more future grieving American families as more massacres are committed by psychotics with access to weapons designed to efficiently kill human beings as rapidly as possible.

Perhaps we should have a guessing game as to which US state will have the next school massacre.

Well done those senators...

Crime is inevitable. Violent crime is inevitable.
None of these bills had any power or magic to prevent that.

I think there would be superior results in dealing with the cause over the means. The cause will always find the means.

But not always such efficient means. Once again you ignore the fact that this is a false dichotomy. It's not an either/or. We can BOTH attempt to deal with the causes (which, you must admit, is going to be a complex and lengthy process) AND reduce access to guns.

[Gallstones]

I don't want access to guns reduced.
So no either or intended.

[Gallstones]

Back in the Old West, a young man was trying to make a name for himself as a fast gun. He heard about an old man who could teach him how to be the fastest, most deadly gun hand in the West, so he sought him out, finally catching up to the oldster in a Saloon in Tombstone, Arizona.

"Wall there, young man'" said the geezer as he spat into the spitoon, "First ya gotta hang yer guns way down low, and tie'em to yer thighs so they don't flop around when ya git'em out. That'll improve yer speed on the draw."

So the kid hauls a couple of rawhide piggins out of his kit and adjusts his holsters down low, and ties the ends to his thighs. Then, just for practice, he quick-draws and shoots the glass of beer right off the piano next to the piano player's head.

The piano player doesn't miss a beat, he just keeps playing "Clementine".

The old man was almost impressed. "Wall there, young'un, that was pretty good. Now, what ya gotta do is file about 1/8 of an inch off the end of your hammers. That'll help ya fan your shots off quicker without messin' up yer aim."

So the kid goes out to his saddlebags, comes back with a file and does what the old man tells him. then, just for practice, he quick-draws and shoots the piano-player's moustache off, one half at a time. The piano player doesn't miss a beat; he just keeps playing "Sweet Betsy from Pike".

The old man grins. "Now, one more thing, kid; git yerself some axle grease, and grease them guns o' yers up real good." he coaches the kid through all this as the kid goes about happily following instructions. "Now, just a little more there...tha's good," says the old guy.

The kid says, "What's that for? to get my guns out of the holster faster?"

The old guy says, "Naw, boy; that's so when Wyatt Earp gets done playin' the piano over there, it won't hurt so much when he sticks them guns up your ass."

[Blind groper]

Amusing story, Gallstones.

However, I suspect that Wyatt Earp would have been even more pleased if the kid didn't have those hand guns in the first place.

[JimC]

I don't want access to guns reduced.
So no either or intended.

For your own selfish reasons.

[Gallstones]

I don't want access to guns reduced.
So no either or intended.

For your own selfish reasons.

I'm getting an inkling that perhaps you think selfish is a bad thing?

[Gallstones]

Amusing story, Gallstones.

However, I suspect that Wyatt Earp would have been even more pleased if the kid didn't have those hand guns in the first place.

Yeah, yeah, you've channeled Wyatt Earp.

[Rum]

I don't want access to guns reduced.
So no either or intended.

For your own selfish reasons.

I'm getting an inkling that perhaps you think selfish is a bad thing?

It could well be if the desire for gun ownership overrides the prevention of the massacre of children.

[Gallstones]

I don't want access to guns reduced.
So no either or intended.

For your own selfish reasons.

I'm getting an inkling that perhaps you think selfish is a bad thing?

It could well be if the desire for gun ownership overrides the prevention of the massacre of children.

We can't prevent violence. That is a chidlish woo wishing.

[Gallstones]

This will make some of you very, very happy.

New York State Anti-Gun Extremists Want You to Turn In Your Neighbor
Sara Noble 03.20.13

New York state also provides a financial incentive for idiots to turn in their neighbors. Calling George Orwell!

via NYS Rifle and Pistol Association

NYS wants New Yorkers to turn in their neighbors if they think they have an illegal gun:

At a time when all of us are finding ourselves doing more with less, a reminder about a resource available from New York State that can assist you in your efforts to solve cases, prevent crime and better serve and protect your communities.

The state has established a toll-free tip line – 1-855-GUNSNYS (1-855- 486-7697) to encourage residents to report illegal firearm possession. The tip line also allows for information to be submitted via text – individuals can text GUNTIP and their message to CRIMES (274637). While the state will provide the administrative support and fund the rewards, the investigation and validity of the tip will be up to each local department.

To spread the word about this free resource, New York State is planning a comprehensive campaign, including public service announcements that will air on television and radio stations across Upstate.

The tip line can provide your agencies with another avenue for receiving intelligence about crimes being committed in your jurisdictions. This initiative is designed for communities where no tip lines are in place and is not meant to replace existing gun tip lines.

Here’s how the tip line operates:

The New York State Police staff the tip line 24 hours a day. Upon receiving a call, troopers will solicit as much information as possible regarding a firearm tip, while allowing the individual to remain anonymous. The caller will be informed that this program is not the traditional gun buyback program but rather is focused on identifying individuals who are carrying an illegal firearm.

The State Police will in turn contact the appropriate police agency with the lead to initiate an investigation. Staff from the Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS) will follow up with that agency to determine the validity of the lead. Once the investigation is completed, the police agency would convey to DCJS the outcome of the investigation.

If the information leads to an arrest for the illegal possession of a firearm, the “tipster” will be awarded $500. DCJS staff will handle all of the financial transactions.

State Police staff will explain the program in its entirety upon notifying an agency that a lead has been generated for their jurisdiction. If you have any questions in the interim, please contact DCJS Deputy Commissioner Tony Perez in the Office of Public Safety at 518-485-7610.

Also: New York State Sets Up Gun Snitch Line With $500 Award Jim Hoft March 20, 2013

I hope they are very, very busy and spend lots and lots of money.

I wonder if a tip is enough for a warrant?

[Blind groper]

We can't prevent violence. That is a chidlish woo wishing.

There are, in fact, a large number of very practical ways of reducing violence. Ways of reducing killings.

1,000 years ago, the UK has a murder rate of 100 per 100,000 people per year. Today it is 1.2. Rather obviously the methods of reducing violence have worked extremely well.

[Gallstones]

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."
-George Washington

LOL at the bogus quote.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington

Better, don'tcha' think?

That last part is a mistake. You don't think.