Guns used for lawful self defense Pt. 4

[hadespussercats]

This is a reminder from the staff to all thread participants to please remember our "Play Nice" rule, and to focus attacks on arguments, not people. Thanks.

[Seth]

Oh dear, more evidence:

Crime
They Never Learn: Burglar Breaks Into Texas Home, Leaves With Gunshot Wounds Instead of Loot
Mar. 14, 2013 10:30pm Jason Howerton

Texas Homeowner Shoots Burglar in North Harris County

A homeowner grabbed a pistol and opened fire on a man, who he said broke into in his north Harris County home last night. (KTRK-TV)

With all the news reports of armed Texans defending their homes from intruders, one would think that burglars would think twice before entering a home unwelcome in the Lone Star State. Criminals may learn from others’ mistakes someday, but not today.

A Texas man on Wednesday night was awoken by a noise in the downstairs of his Houston home, KTRK-TV reports. What he found was a home intruder, later identified as 20-year-old Cecilio Semis, Jr.

Armed with a handgun — though it is not clear what kind — the homeowner, Travis McNeal, confronted the burglar and, feeling threatened, shot Semis twice, striking him in the ribs and chest.

McNeal then called 911 and paramedics took the suspect to Ben Taub hospital, where he was listed in stable condition Thursday. He is extremely lucky to be alive.

Police say the homeowner’s wife and kids weren’t home during the home invasion. He is not expected to face charges as investigators believe it was a legitimate case of self-defense.

KHOU-TV has more, including an interview with the suspect’s father:

[Jason]

The 'Sturmgewehr' or 'Assault Rifle' was the name given to it by Adolf Hitler.. but how is that relevant?

[Gallstones]

The 'Sturmgewehr' or 'Assault Rifle' was the name given to it by Adolf Hitler.. but how is that relevant?

It's relevent because the term "assault" is still being used as a propaganda tool and is being applied to firearms that aren't factually assault. They have a look.

Just a bit of history for anyone who would get a little education to mix in with the opinions.

[Gallstones]

I do not give a shit what you think or what you want or what you think we should think or want or do in the US.
It is none of your fucking business.

In case it escaped your notice, Gallstones, this is a forum debate.
A debate is a discussion in which various parties express their views. I am expressing mine. If you do not like that, tough!

Diverting the debate into questions about rifles is your business, but it has nothing to do with the real issue, which is the 8,000 people who lose their lives each year to bullets fired from hand guns.

This is one of them irony things, isn't it?

I can't find the general gun thread. So I use this one.
Splitting my non-RealTM issue content out is fine with me. But I want a title that makes the thread findable.

[Gallstones]

Paranoia, anger and ignorance tend to go hand in hand.

The United States is NOT a Democracy.
It is a Constitutional Republic.

The majority does not rule.
The majority is retarded and lazy and barely deserving of a vote.

The "majority" can think and want and wish and hope and expect anything it wants. It is not entitled to a damn thing for it.

Elitist crap, with a definite flavour of National Socialism...

Who do you propose to send to the death camps first?

People scared of guns?

I'm starting to realize why GS can't keep a man. Even gun nuts see soon enough that she is gone to the gun cult and ready to fucking spray bullets any time. I know that this is not going to make any difference to Seth and GS, but if 99% of the world population thinks you are fucking nuts, then you are fucking nuts, not a genius who is misunderstood. Also, your constitutional right to bear any arms is a piece of shit paper to 99.9% of the world population, and nobody gives a fuck. By all means, form gun cults and communes; the legitimate government has not ruled out drone attacks on americans on american soil...

This is some more of that irony stuff, isn't it?

[aspire1670]

Paranoia, anger and ignorance tend to go hand in hand.

The United States is NOT a Democracy.
It is a Constitutional Republic.

The majority does not rule.
The majority is retarded and lazy and barely deserving of a vote.

The "majority" can think and want and wish and hope and expect anything it wants. It is not entitled to a damn thing for it.

Elitist crap, with a definite flavour of National Socialism...

Who do you propose to send to the death camps first?

People scared of guns?

I'm starting to realize why GS can't keep a man. Even gun nuts see soon enough that she is gone to the gun cult and ready to fucking spray bullets any time. I know that this is not going to make any difference to Seth and GS, but if 99% of the world population thinks you are fucking nuts, then you are fucking nuts, not a genius who is misunderstood. Also, your constitutional right to bear any arms is a piece of shit paper to 99.9% of the world population, and nobody gives a fuck. By all means, form gun cults and communes; the legitimate government has not ruled out drone attacks on americans on american soil...

This is some more of that irony stuff, isn't it?

Well it's only ironic when you believe you aren't a gun obssesive with poor impulse control who argues that her right to bear arms is much more important than the lives of children because of Reasons.

[Gallstones]

Paranoia, anger and ignorance tend to go hand in hand.

The United States is NOT a Democracy.
It is a Constitutional Republic.

The majority does not rule.
The majority is retarded and lazy and barely deserving of a vote.

The "majority" can think and want and wish and hope and expect anything it wants. It is not entitled to a damn thing for it.

Elitist crap, with a definite flavour of National Socialism...

Who do you propose to send to the death camps first?

People scared of guns?

I'm starting to realize why GS can't keep a man. Even gun nuts see soon enough that she is gone to the gun cult and ready to fucking spray bullets any time. I know that this is not going to make any difference to Seth and GS, but if 99% of the world population thinks you are fucking nuts, then you are fucking nuts, not a genius who is misunderstood. Also, your constitutional right to bear any arms is a piece of shit paper to 99.9% of the world population, and nobody gives a fuck. By all means, form gun cults and communes; the legitimate government has not ruled out drone attacks on americans on american soil...

This is some more of that irony stuff, isn't it?

Well it's only ironic when you believe you aren't a gun obssesive with poor impulse control who argues that her right to bear arms is much more important than the lives of children because of Reasons.

You are obsessed with me and have fantasies about me don't you?
I can tell because you follow my every post and give them so much of your attention.
You don't seem able to stop yourself.

I must, however, point out a problem with your last assertion.
My Right to keep and bear arms does not correlate with the lives of children, and "because" doesn't tie them together.

[orpheus]

So you contend that if they had
fired on federal officers earlier, if they had wanted to start a war, then they'd have won against the Feds?  

Not at all. In war, people die. The point I was making was that Waco is not a good example of what the citizenry, once aroused and mustered, can do to put down a tyrannical government.

But Koresh and his people beat the shit out of the BATF assault teams, forcing them to retreat in ignominious humiliation. And the only way Reno could get them out of their compound was to murderously incinerate them all, thus making them martyrs.

Which of course lead DIRECTLY to the killing of more than 230 people in OK city by people outraged at the slaughter in Waco.

Debatable. Can you show a direct causal chain?

Not debatable at all. Just look at the record, McVeigh admitted he did it as revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge. Direct connection.

How'd that work out for the feds?

In terms of fighting power? Feds are still here. Koresh et al aren't. 

Eighty people at Waco died. More than 230 died in Oklahoma city. 3 to 1 kill ratio. Wouldn't take long for the feds to give up if every encounter went that way, as the Russians discovered in Afghanistan. Federal cops don't want to get killed for Marxist drivel, neither do our soldiers, who swear allegiance to the Constitution and therefore the citizenry, not the President or anyone else.

I didn't say any particular individual or individual's would survive a revolution, but the nation would, and the tyrant would be deposed. That's all that's important.

So what you're actually saying is that guns aren't enough. In order to accomplish your goal, you're in favor of citizens having the right to bombs as well.

[Blind groper]

Oh dear, more evidence:

Deep sigh.

Seth,

When will you learn that anecdotes are not evidence. Certainly not of trends.
There are men in this world who have taken blunt knives and cut off their testicles.
If I told such a true story, I could not conclude that all men hate their testicles.

Nor does a story of a person drawing a gun to stop a wife beater mean that all people should carry guns. The USA already has far too many guns, as shown by the fact that the USA is redolent with cases of murder by gun. I quote overall numbers. Not garbage anecdotes. Overall numbers show that the USA has 600,000 gun crimes a year. 100,000 gun woundings per year. 20,000 gun deaths per year. These are not anecdotes. They are statistics. From those statistics I can draw the clear conclusion that the USA has far too much evil based on guns.

Over the average lifetime, 1 in 50 Americans will have a bullet pass through his or her body. Only someone who is far removed from reality could believe that is a good thing.

[Gallstones]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

[Blind groper]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

A minority are suicides. Most are woundings and maimings. It comes from 100,000 people per year who receive a bullet. About 10% are attempts at suicide (mostly successful).

[Woodbutcher]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

He said " will have a bullet pass through their body". Yes, it also includes suicides, and we do know how compassionate you and Seth are about mental sickness leading to suicide. You would have made first class nazis, you two. You would have fought against the allies!

[Gallstones]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

He said " will have a bullet pass through their body". Yes, it also includes suicides, and we do know how compassionate you and Seth are about mental sickness leading to suicide. You would have made first class nazis, you two. You would have fought against the allies!

I think something has pushed you off your rocker.

[Gallstones]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

A minority are suicides. Most are woundings and maimings. It comes from 100,000 people per year who receive a bullet. About 10% are attempts at suicide (mostly successful).

What is the source of this figure?