Boston Marathon hit by explosions - gun derail

[Blind groper]

Seth and other gun lovers who claim it is impossible to control guns are proven wrong by every western democracy that has done it. Meaning every western democracy except the USA.

If we look at the predominantly English speaking countries - Britain, NZ, Australia, Canada and the USA, we see that Britain, NZ, Australia, and Canada have all successfully limited gun ownership and have reduced gun murders to a small fraction of that in the USA. The US has not reduced murders to the same degree for the very simple reason that it has not tried.

Britain, NZ, Australia, and Canada all have fully democratic nations, with no threat of anything going totalitarian, and with lower levels of corruption that the US. It appears that reducing gun ownership among English speaking peoples has no downside.

[Collector1337]

Seth and other gun lovers who claim it is impossible to control guns are proven wrong by every western democracy that has done it. Meaning every western democracy except the USA.

If we look at the predominantly English speaking countries - Britain, NZ, Australia, Canada and the USA, we see that Britain, NZ, Australia, and Canada have all successfully limited gun ownership and have reduced gun murders to a small fraction of that in the USA. The US has not reduced murders to the same degree for the very simple reason that it has not tried.

Britain, NZ, Australia, and Canada all have fully democratic nations, with no threat of anything going totalitarian, and with lower levels of corruption that the US. It appears that reducing gun ownership among English speaking peoples has no downside.

I much prefer Liberty over Authoritarianism. Our culture is not your culture. I have zero desire to be anything like those countries you've listed.

[Blind groper]

I much prefer Liberty over Authoritarianism. Our culture is not your culture. I have zero desire to be anything like those countries you've listed.

Which shows how little you understand. All the English speaking nations I mentioned try to maximise liberty and minimise government oppression. However, there are always some things that need to be controlled for the welfare of the majority. That is why we have road rules, and laws stopping you stealing. A rule to ban hand guns in private possession is simply another wise rule to maximise the welfare of the majority.

[Collector1337]

I much prefer Liberty over Authoritarianism. Our culture is not your culture. I have zero desire to be anything like those countries you've listed.

Which shows how little you understand. All the English speaking nations I mentioned try to maximise liberty and minimise government oppression. However, there are always some things that need to be controlled for the welfare of the majority. That is why we have road rules, and laws stopping you stealing. A rule to ban hand guns in private possession is simply another wise rule to maximise the welfare of the majority.

"maximise the welfare of the majority."

Yeah, I don't want any part of that collectivist garbage.

You claim you have liberty, but you can't own a semi-automatic?

That's not liberty if you can't even own the most common kind of firearm there is.

[Seth]

Seth and other gun lovers who claim it is impossible to control guns are proven wrong by every western democracy that has done it. Meaning every western democracy except the USA.

It's not inherently impossible, it's just that we will not tolerate the sort of tyrannical police state that's required to achieve that goal. We look at what happened in Nazi Germany...and the rest of Europe...to the Jews, and we resolve to MAKE it impossible for the government to seize our arms.

Because we are, and always have been adequately armed as citizens to fight our own government, by right and design, it is impossible for our government to go to war with it's own citizens and hope to prevail with it's 2 or so million regular Army soldiers against 150 to 300 million well-armed citizens. Sheer force of numbers will give victory to the People, however bloody it may be to achieve it.

In your case you have neither the history, nor the arms, nor the capacity to resist your government so you will do whatever your masters tell you to do, and at best you can hope and pray that your government remains "non-corrupt" and peaceable towards the citizenry, because if it doesn't, for whatever reason, you're just completely and totally fucked up the ass with a cactus.

Which is okay with me because it's your silly country and you deserve whatever fate brings you, good or bad. But we'll hear no whining and we'll ignore any pleas for aid that might come our way from the freedom-loving resistance. You make your bed, you lie in it.

If we look at the predominantly English speaking countries - Britain, NZ, Australia, Canada and the USA, we see that Britain, NZ, Australia, and Canada have all successfully limited gun ownership and have reduced gun murders to a small fraction of that in the USA. The US has not reduced murders to the same degree for the very simple reason that it has not tried.

You do this every single time you trot out this canard, and it's getting tiresome and obvious. You cherry-pick your examples and ignore everything else that might contradict your dogma.

Britain, NZ, Australia, and Canada all have fully democratic nations, with no threat of anything going totalitarian, and with lower levels of corruption that the US. It appears that reducing gun ownership among English speaking peoples has no downside that I care to acknowledge or look into the future for.

What about all them non-English speaking people, what are they, chopped liver. Your arguments are those of an intellectual pygmy.

[JimC]

Selfishness, self-obsession, self gratification, self glorification, lack of empathy, paranoia and self importance.

All seem to be features of the classic gun-nut mind set...

They think they can justify anything under the mystical banner of Liberty...

Ultimately, a great big wank-fest of solipsism...

[Blind groper]

You claim you have liberty, but you can't own a semi-automatic?

Sadly the sentence above summarises the bullshit arguments of all the gun lovers. You assume that freedom consists of owning guns. Nothing else. Such a limited view is really depressing to observe.

The components of freedom are summarised very nicely in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. This document, universally agreed by all countries, does not even mention guns. As far as the whole of planet Earth is concerned, with the exception of a minority of US citizens, owning guns is not even a tiny part of being free.

[Seth]

Selfishness, self-obsession, self gratification, self glorification, lack of empathy, paranoia and self importance.

All seem to be features of the classic gun-nut mind set...

They think they can justify anything under the mystical banner of Liberty...

Ultimately, a great big wank-fest of solipsism...

Hey, I'll worry about other people AFTER my rights and liberties are secured. You want to worry about other people more than yourself, that's fine with me, but it's not something you can impose on anyone else.

[JimC]

You claim you have liberty, but you can't own a semi-automatic?

Sadly the sentence above summarises the bullshit arguments of all the gun lovers. You assume that freedom consists of owning guns. Nothing else. Such a limited view is really depressing to observe.

The components of freedom are summarised very nicely in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. This document, universally agreed by all countries, does not even mention guns. As far as the whole of planet Earth is concerned, with the exception of a minority of US citizens, owning guns is not even a tiny part of being free.

But BG, you forget, the US is the centre of the entire Universe!

And the UN wants to enslave us all!

Possibly with fleets of Black Helicopters!

[Seth]

You claim you have liberty, but you can't own a semi-automatic?

Sadly the sentence above summarises the bullshit arguments of all the gun lovers. You assume that freedom consists of owning guns. Nothing else. Such a limited view is really depressing to observe.

No, you assume that's what he meant because your head is so far up your ass that everything you view is brown and smells nasty. Nobody but you said "nothing else." That's a strawman argument you concocted to base your asinine bloviating on. Freedom does not consist ONLY of owning guns, but owning guns is one prime and important indicator of a free society...and more importantly NOT being permitted to own guns is an absolute indicator of a despotic and tyrannous government in the making.

The components of freedom are summarised very nicely in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. This document, universally agreed by all countries, does not even mention guns. As far as the whole of planet Earth is concerned, with the exception of a minority of US citizens, owning guns is not even a tiny part of being free.

I didn't agree to it. Nor is it a binding legal document. It's a statement by a bunch of wannabe dictators and tyrants, and it's greatest flaw is precisely that it doesn't protect the individual right to keep and bear arms, which is why it's unenforceable in the US.

The UN is a bunch of drunken louts sucking each other's cocks and claiming to know what's best for everyone else. Fuck the UN and everyone associated with it, and everyone who supports it. This is the United States of America, and we don't take orders from anybody, most especially not the UN.

[Seth]

You claim you have liberty, but you can't own a semi-automatic?

Sadly the sentence above summarises the bullshit arguments of all the gun lovers. You assume that freedom consists of owning guns. Nothing else. Such a limited view is really depressing to observe.

The components of freedom are summarised very nicely in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. This document, universally agreed by all countries, does not even mention guns. As far as the whole of planet Earth is concerned, with the exception of a minority of US citizens, owning guns is not even a tiny part of being free.

But BG, you forget, the US is the centre of the entire Universe!

And the UN wants to enslave us all!

Possibly with fleets of Black Helicopters!

The UN uses white and blue for it's vehicles, not black, which just goes to show you how stupid and ineffective they are...they don't even understand the purpose of camouflage.

And ours aren't black, they are a really dark green mostly.

[Collector1337]

Selfishness, self-obsession, self gratification, self glorification, lack of empathy, paranoia and self importance.

All seem to be features of the classic gun-nut mind set...

They think they can justify anything under the mystical banner of Liberty...

Ultimately, a great big wank-fest of solipsism...

Spoken like a true indoctrinated, collectivist, sheep.

Your government cares so little about you, they won't even let you defend yourself. Get a clue. They don't care about you. It's your job to ensure your survival. Not the the government, or anyone else. Just you. Putting your own safety in the hands of others like that is truly foolish.

[Blind groper]

This is the United States of America, and we don't take orders from anybody, most especially not the UN.

This is a sad illustration of the worst arrogance shown by redneck paranoid right wing American idiots. Luckily that is a minority of the set of all Americans.

The United Nations does not exist to give orders, but it should encourage international cooperation, for the mutual benefit of everyone. Since its purpose is to make the whole world a better place, cooperation is better than hostility.

[Collector1337]

This is the United States of America, and we don't take orders from anybody, most especially not the UN.

This is a sad illustration of the worst arrogance shown by redneck paranoid right wing American idiots. Luckily that is a minority of the set of all Americans.

The United Nations does not exist to give orders, but it should encourage international cooperation, for the mutual benefit of everyone. Since its purpose is to make the whole world a better place, cooperation is better than hostility.

It's called sovereignty, not arrogance. Apparently, you don't know the difference.

Have fun with your stereotyping and bigotry. Willful ignorance. It's pathetic.

[Blind groper]

It's called sovereignty, not arrogance.

The UN is not threatening the sovereignty of the USA. It merely asks cooperation in trying to build a better world. Refusing to cooperate on the grounds that Americans are superior is arrogance.