What is this an example of to you?

[piscator]

I'd imagine I and my well armed kinfolk might discuss the matter with you. Friendly like, of course, Southerners are nothing if not polite and hospitable.

I'm a Yankee, though. I'll just let Seth and clear them out as they come in. They'll be easy pickings for him.

Seriously, though, my point is not that Bundy shouldn't pay grazing fees: as a part owner of that public land, of course I want him to pay the fees, just as fishermen should pay fees for fishing on the ocean. However, I think that what's needed is use of those courts piscator thinks there are too many of: if I want to evict a tenant, I use the court system, I don't just start shooting his pets or kids.

I understand he has already ignored several court orders; given that, application of law enforcement is the next logical step, unless you want courts to be toothless tigers...

The appropriate recourse in this case is to file a lien on his ranch. That's how civil collection issues like this are almost always handled by the federal government.

Glad you recognize that Cliven Bundy owes $$ to the American taxpayer. Most often, the appropriate response would be to politely evict the cattle, send a bill, file liens when the bills go unpaid, then move move to attach the deadbeat's property against unpaid bills. This unless someone gets horseshit with law enforcement, who are well known to mace people before they cuff them and take them into custody for...getting horseshit with law enforcement.

This show of force by the government is exactly that, they are trying to intimidate and frighten others by using military tactics in a civil action. It's all part of Obama's militiarization of law enforcement, which includes both dozens of federal agencies that have never in history had armed agents as well as giving out military surplus goodies like MRAP armored vehicles to podunk local police departments.

So it's Obama who tacked all this on to the Patriot Act? Who militarized law enforcement? Who gave vast powers of property attachment to law enforcement over trivial violations? You're fucking high.
Nixon's WOD>Bush1's "Take the house for the 2 sticks of ditchweed" executive order>Clinton's "100,000 new cops on America's streets">Bush2's mothafukkingoddamn Patriot Act>Obama signs another extension of the Patriot Act, which reauthorizes the same law enforcement materiel redistribution started under motherfucking goddamn John Ashcroft.

That how it fucking goes.

Civilian milita and Granny drawing a bead on Po Po during standoff over right to Federal subsidy:


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... nd/360587/

I don't know how many of you remember what Obama said years ago. He said that it was his intention to create a domestic federal "army" equal in power to the US military. And that's what he's been doing. We are now seeing Homeland Security paramilitary forces showing up at local crimescenes and drug busts and driving vehicles marked "Police" and undertaking actions that are explicitly forbidden to the US military under the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids our military from engaging in domestic law enforcement actions.

Only a slimey partisan douchebag hack would leave out the part where Obama said this "army" would fight domestic poverty.

[SnowLeopard]

Soooooo the police would be within their rights to kill that sniper I'd have thought? I don't see why police/anyone would have to stand for being actively aimed at by a rifle.

Don't point your thingy at anything you don't intend to destroy is the mantra isn't it?

[FBM]

If they'd seen him, he'd have been shot.

[Brian Peacock]

I still say that the US is a de facto plutocracy. For a long time, we've had an elite economic aristocracy that actually runs things. I'm gradually beginning to wonder if the Republican-Democrat or conservative-progressive divide is even really all that significant.

I have this feeling man, 'cause you know, it's just a handful of people who run everything, you know … that's true, it's provable. It's not … I'm not a fucking conspiracy nut, it's provable. A handful, a very small elite, run and own these corporations, which include the mainstream media...

I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down … and a big guy with a cigar goes,
"Roll the film."
And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before … that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president,
"Any questions?"
"Er, just what my agenda is."
"First we bomb Baghdad."
"You got it …"

[FBM]

Probably something not too far from that.

[Seth]

Soooooo the police would be within their rights to kill that sniper I'd have thought? I don't see why police/anyone would have to stand for being actively aimed at by a rifle.

Don't point your thingy at anything you don't intend to destroy is the mantra isn't it?

Yup, that's the mantra alright.

Exactly the same rules (and laws) apply to the police here in the US. The "snipers" with the BLM had no legal authority to be aiming their rifles at (what were at the time) unarmed members of the public engaged in peaceful protest. That's probably why the militia folks showed up. Whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

American citizens (and everybody else) have a legal right to use force against the unlawful use of force by the police. If the BLM snipers had opened fire on the crowd (as opposed to some specific individual who was threatening to use deadly force unlawfully and imminently), like the National Guard did at Kent State back in the 60s, those militia members would have been justified in using defensive force, up to and including deadly force, to protect innocent persons.

It was a very dicey and dangerous situation fomented by the BLM and Obama's Marxist terror tactics.

No amount of illegal grazing can justify the loss of one single human life, and what Obama discovered that day is that Americans will defend one another against the militaristic and totalitarian abuses of an overweening and out of control federal government.

[Seth]

If they'd seen him, he'd have been shot.

Which kind of points out the ineptitude of the government "snipers" doesn't it? Everybody saw them, but the BLM didn't see the militia member. Nobody sees a well-trained sniper, ever. The fact that the BLM snipers were seen demonstrates the fact that they were put out there to intimidate and threaten citizens, not keep the peace.

Besides, where's the proof that the guy was aiming at any human being? He might have been hunting wabbits.

[FBM]

This is the first I've heard of BLM snipers being there with rifles aimed at the protesters.

[Seth]

This is the first I've heard of BLM snipers being there with rifles aimed at the protesters.

That was the second thing I heard when the story broke.

[FBM]

I guess I haven't been paying attention. That's not cool.

[piscator]

If they'd seen him, he'd have been shot.

Which kind of points out the ineptitude of the government "snipers" doesn't it? Everybody saw them, but the BLM didn't see the militia member. Nobody sees a well-trained sniper, ever. The fact that the BLM snipers were seen demonstrates the fact that they were put out there to intimidate and threaten citizens, not keep the peace.

Really says a lot for Eugene and his Granny on the bridge then, doesn't it?

Besides, where's the proof that the guy was aiming at any human being? He might have been hunting wabbits.

Like these guys?

This is the first I've heard of BLM snipers being there with rifles aimed at the protesters.

The above pic is the only sort of evidence I could find of the "Government Snipers!!" that brought in all the armed militia and Constitution/land law ignorance groups.
Such hi-res. Much convinced. Wow.

Any sort of credible news reports or BLM releases that these 2 guys were actually some sort of Fed sniper team, and not sheriff's office, or Michigan Militia, or even just Al and Ted Bundy hamming it up for the fan base?

[FBM]

They don't look to be very good at their job.

[piscator]

They don't look to be very good at their job.

I know. Makes me want to give them a juice box or something...


I think they look more like a news crew with a camera than mystical and elusive BLM snipers, but it was enough to bring in a stampede of amateur Audie Murphys and their Grandmas volunteerin' for countersniper detail, which I don't know if I mind, except for the fact that they wouldn't be there were a Republican in the White House...

[FBM]

What I mean is, I don't think those are BLM snipers. I think they're civilians and somebody is posting misinformation in order to stir up sentiments.

[Warren Dew]

They don't look to be very good at their job.

More proof that they're from a federal wannabe agency like the BLM.