Only in America

[Sean Hayden]

[Cunt]

Maybe this helps explain your attitude! I mean, what would it look like if instead of being pissy you said something like,

"Owning a gun may not be necessary to protect you from gangbangers, but I use one for bears!"

--well la dee da!

If you lived in an area like that, I would support your right to protect yourself by getting a gun, if you chose.

It's awful how many people blame guns for these problems.

[Sean Hayden]

Right, the rest of the world really is just more civilized than us, and if we can shape up our guns will cease to be a problem.

It's possible to recognize a diversity of causes without either focusing entirely on guns, or ignoring them. In my opinion it's pretty radical to minimize their role e.g. "guns don't kill people, people do". I think maybe more radical than focusing on them.

[Cunt]

Right, the rest of the world really is just more civilized than us, and if we can shape up our guns will cease to be a problem.

It's possible to recognize a diversity of causes without either focusing entirely on guns, or ignoring them. In my opinion it's pretty radical to minimize their role e.g. "guns don't kill people, people do". I think maybe more radical than focusing on them.

Guns are unmanageable. The US Constitution pretty much insists on it, and now that it is being broken up, people at home can print 'ghost rifles' with no traceability.

So the things will remain unmanageable.

Honestly, the best I think we can do is to learn how to deal with it, rather than pretend a law restricting legal gun ownership will not be too much of an infringement on the individual.

With them being so unmanageable, I would prefer if all my neighbours were armed. (they mostly are)

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, I don't see them going away anytime soon. I also don't think no guns means no mass killings in the US.

Anyway, I'd like to say that I think it's pretty cool you have to worry about bears, and not just because one day you might get eaten by one. It's just really cool.

If we weren't so out of step it'd be easier to appreciate the good things about each other, instead of flying by them to get to the next dig.

[Cunt]

Yeah, I don't see them going away anytime soon. I also don't think no guns means no mass killings in the US.

Anyway, I'd like to say that I think it's pretty cool you have to worry about bears, and not just because one day you might get eaten by one. It's just really cool.

If we weren't so out of step it'd be easier to appreciate the good things about each other, instead of flying by them to get to the next dig.

I don't have to worry about bears much. I'm really a 'city boy', by my standards. The guns are locked in the same cabinet they have been for years. (ammo locked separately, of course)

My only bear encounters have been unarmed. My sweetheart was at a remote mine site years ago, when a crew of her colleagues were attacked by a barrens grizzly (ursus horribilus) It affected both of us, in how we prepare for remote trips. It affected us in a few ways.

The first guy to get attacked was no match for the beast. The second guy, having a good understanding of what to do, began to make wild gestures and threatening noises, to scare the bare off Man1. It worked, and the bear tore the scalp off Man2 for his troubles. Man3 ran away and got into the truck, was near unresponsive with shock.

I don't worry about them though. I address the problem as best I can, then try to focus on getting what joy I can out of the moment.

So I hear about a lot of people investing in guns (low chance of protection vs gangbangers) but seldom hear about body armour. Is it popular among the local population? Or are most folks investing in shooting back, rather than surviving an attack?

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

[Sean Hayden]

Holy shit, scalped by a bear, if he survived it that's a hell of a story!

I bet there are plenty of people with body armor. But what I've seen is women with pistols in their purses, and guys with pocket and waist holsters, and they don't always carry. For home defense you've got shitloads of shotguns floating around. But again, not everyone with a shotgun for defense is actually all that interested in using it as evidenced by its being locked away in the attic, or unloaded in the closet 24/7.

Those who are into defense tend to treat it like a hobby as far as I can tell, and they really geek out on all that stuff. These are the guys with bedside holsters.

At the end of the day everybody does their own risk analysis and decides what they think is best. I get that. I just don't think a flawed risk assessment should be given the same weight as a sensible one in the public debate about gun regulations. Especially if it's encouraged by corporations to make more sales.

That is to say, the facts don't support gun ownership for safety in the majority of cases, but I understand why you might think so, and choose to buy a gun. Sometimes I'd like to take a parachute on planes. Everyone's got their own crazy.

[Seabass]

These are the guys with bedside holsters.

Wtf? I didn't even know that was a thing...

[Cunt]

Holy shit, scalped by a bear, if he survived it that's a hell of a story!

I bet there are plenty of people with body armor. But what I've seen is women with pistols in their purses, and guys with pocket and waist holsters, and they don't always carry. For home defense you've got shitloads of shotguns floating around. But again, not everyone with a shotgun for defense is actually all that interested in using it as evidenced by its being locked away in the attic, or unloaded in the closet 24/7.

Yeah, I keep everything like that locked, except when in use. With my level of expertise, I am much better off not bringing a weapon into a fight. A skilled fighter would take it away. My strategy is to be very large, very strong, calm and thoughtful. It has worked so far, well enough.

Those who are into defense tend to treat it like a hobby as far as I can tell, and they really geek out on all that stuff. These are the guys with bedside holsters.

At the end of the day everybody does their own risk analysis and decides what they think is best. I get that. I just don't think a flawed risk assessment should be given the same weight as a sensible one in the public debate about gun regulations. Especially if it's encouraged by corporations to make more sales.

The gun fight, when it stirs up, is doing the greatest service to manufacturers of firearms.

That is to say, the facts don't support gun ownership for safety in the majority of cases, but I understand why you might think so, and choose to buy a gun. Sometimes I'd like to take a parachute on planes. Everyone's got their own crazy.

Facts support gun ownership in every case where they are chosen. See, I connect it to a right every animal has to defend themselves. Well, not so much a right, as a fact. Somewhere between maybe.

You know, in the sense that 'might makes right', it IS every creatures right to fight back. When you recognize that, it makes sense to support lawful gun ownership (which reduces crime, or has no effect) vs a 'gun ban' which will then have to turn into a knife ban, then a stick ban, then before you know it, a home printer can print out an unregistered dangerous weapon, and we are back to people depending on themselves.

One of the terrible things about having and responsibly using a gun for self-defense, is that it would mean dead people. There was a store owner in my previous town, who shot robbers 2 or 3 times (over decades) and no matter how many lives, dollars or pills he saved, it still has to suck BAD that he killed some people. Suck for everyone connected to it, I mean.

[Cunt]

Holy shit, scalped by a bear, if he survived it that's a hell of a story!

I don't know much about him, but if I ran into him at a pub, I would probably discreetly pick up his tab.

He survived, and if I recall correctly, he wanted that bear's parts. (for trophies)

ENR went out after to find, and kill the bear, and were resistant to his demand. Turns out though, he is an indigenous person, so had a more solid claim to it than most.

He described later, how he fought it like you fight a puppy, where you put your finger into the back of their mouth, so they can't bite you. Well, he did that with his arm.

After they got back to camp, bleeding and shook, they had a 5h delay for the med-evac flight, due to weather. All that time, my sweetheart had the honour of hearing men in pain, waiting for stronger meds and doctors. Nothing to be done for them either, other than mild meds and bandaging.

The north is overflowing with heroes, who do giant, amazing things, and are never seen doing it. It's part of my love of the north, is how few people really know what is going on up this way.

Common Yarro

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

[Joe]

How big a piece of bacon?

[Sean Hayden]

Sell out!

[Joe]

I wonder if they use Chef Ted's recipe.

[Seabass]

Just a normal Saturday in America.

A Texas Police Officer Trying To Shoot A Loose Dog Killed A Woman Instead
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sa ... -arlington

El Paso shooting: At least 19 people dead, 40 injured, suspect in custody, police say
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ac ... g-n1039001
(Yes, of course he's a white nationalist Trumplicant.)

[Brian Peacock]

Christ on a bike America.