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Re: Only in America

Post by Hermit » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:25 am

Tero wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:55 pm
toddler shoots toddler dead, 53 year old to jail
https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-boy-shoo ... d=56719472
That article links to three articles reporting more accidental shootings.

Apr 22, 2018 Mother accidentally shoots, kills 2-year-old daughter
Apr 18, 2018 3-year-old girl accidentally shoots pregnant mother from backseat of car
Jun 7, 2017 7-year-old accidentally shot dead by 2-year-old cousin

And they in turn...

I'm sure adding another law banning firearms would not have prevented any of those either. You see, guns don't kill people. People do. Fewer guns do not mean fewer people. Ergo, ...

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Post by Tero » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:14 am

It changed. Grandpa left gun laying around.
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Re: Only in America

Post by JimC » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:36 am

One can accept that the US had some cynical motivations, including some benefits to its military-industrial complex, in the mix when NATO was created (I was always aware of the "soft" version of imperialism that the US preached, under the cover of defending democratic values). However, to see that as the only critical point would be to miss the very real desire of the Soviet State to push its hegemony as far as it could into Europe, by force if necessary. Motivations are grey and bloody on all sides...
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Re: Only in America

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:26 am

JimC wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:36 am
One can accept that the US had some cynical motivations, including some benefits to its military-industrial complex, in the mix when NATO was created (I was always aware of the "soft" version of imperialism that the US preached, under the cover of defending democratic values). However, to see that as the only critical point would be to miss the very real desire of the Soviet State to push its hegemony as far as it could into Europe, by force if necessary. Motivations are grey and bloody on all sides...
Yes Jim that is part of it. America was terrified of a socialist Europe and what better way to keep control than have thousand of troops and equipment stationed there as did the Russians in their sphere of control. When the Common Market was set up under their noses they realised nothing further could be done and they had to accept it. It was not their "Backyard" where they bumped any leaders they did not like even though they were democratically elected. That was impossible in Europe but they did try to influence as much as possible the election outcomes in many European countries. European dictators had a charmed life and survived a long time against the odds thanks to support from the US secret services.

The EU though was for many in the US one step to far especially when the Euro appeared. Even the Koch Bros said it would not last and did everything to destroy it along with of course the British tories who saw it as a direct threat to the Pound.

NATO at this time should have been disbanded. It is ridiculous that a third country has any influence over independent countries but that is exactly what trump is trying to do. It is his last backdoor into Europe and he misusing it as much as he can. He wants the destruction of the EU and he thinks Putin will go along with him. Economically he knows he cant win any war with the EU.
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Re: Only in America

Post by Seabass » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:23 am

Stand your ground!
Gunman in parking space shooting not charged because of 'Stand Your Ground' law
https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-parkin ... d=56715356

A man who was captured on surveillance video fatally shooting another man in Clearwater, Florida, during a parking-spot spat as his young son watched nearby will not be arrested or charged by police, according to Pinellas County Sheriff.

"I don't make the law. I enforce the law," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference today. "The law in the state of Florida today is that people have a right to stand their ground and have a right to defend themselves when they believe that they are in harm."

The sheriff announced the case will be sent to the state attorney's office for review.

"This will go to the state attorney. Drejka will not be charged [and] will not be arrested by us," Sheriff Gualtieri said. "The state attorney will review it and either he’ll concur or not. And, if he concurs, then there’ll be no charge. Period. If he doesn’t concur, then he’ll make a determination as to what to do with it. And, if he feels like he can overcome that heavy burden at a Stand Your Ground hearing of proving by clear and convincing evidence that Drejka was not entitled to use force in this circumstance, then that’s the state attorney’s determination to make."

According to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, around 3:28 p.m. Thursday, Britany Jacobs, 24, was sitting in her car in a handicapped parking space outside a Circle A Food Store while her boyfriend Markeis McGlockton, 28, and their son Markeis McGlockton Jr., 5, went into the store.

While the father and son were in the store, Jacobs was approached by Michael Drejka, 47, police said. The two then got into an argument because of where Jacobs was parked, according to police.

"According to witnesses, McGlockton exited the store and walked over to Drejka who was still arguing with Jacobs in the parking lot. Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.

In surveillance video released by the convenience store, a man identified as McGlockton can be seen pushing Drejka to the ground. Drejka then raises his hand, which appears to be holding a gun, and shoots McGlockton. McGlockton goes back inside the store where Markeis Jr. is standing.

In surveillance footage taken from inside the store, McGlockton can be seen falling to the ground in front of his son. Moments later, Jacobs rushes into the store, tries to help McGlockton and then begins to make a call on her cell.

"Several witnesses called 911 as the incident unfolded. When deputies arrived, Drejka was cooperative with deputies. Drejka told deputies he placed his firearm in his Toyota 4-Runner prior to their arrival," police said.

McGlockton was transported to a hospital for life-threatening injuries but was pronounced dead about 4:04 p.m. Thursday, according to authorities.

"[It's] sad to see [McGlockton] die in front of his son. ... For a parking lot [space.] For a stupid reason. Just to argue, just to find someone to argue with,” said store owner Ali Selous, who told ABC News affiliate WFTS-TV that McGlockton was in the store buying candy for Markeis Jr.

Deputies transported Drejka to the North District Station to be interviewed by detectives, who also took possession of Drejka's handgun. Drejka had a valid Florida concealed weapons license, police said.

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which was enacted in 2005, allows residents to use force, including deadly force, if they "reasonably believe" they are at risk of death or great bodily harm. The law specifies that people have "no duty to retreat" from their homes or vehicles if they feel threatened.
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Re: Only in America

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:23 am

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Re: Only in America

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:54 am

pErvinalia wrote:
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Retarded country.
At the very least. The world should do everything economically to destroy the place.
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Re: Only in America

Post by Svartalf » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:55 am

Who needs the world when they already have frump?
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Re: Only in America

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:00 am

Svartalf wrote:
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Who needs the world when they already have frump?
He just needs a bit of nudging and he will jump and take the mess with him.
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Re: Only in America

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:09 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:54 am
pErvinalia wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:23 am
Retarded country.
At the very least. The world should do everything economically to destroy the place.
If they could make sure that the sane side wound up with the nukes, I'd be all for Civil War 2.0
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Re: Only in America

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:19 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:23 am
Retarded country.
At the very least. The world should do everything economically to destroy the place.
Yeah, Vengeance! That always makes things better doesn't it?
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Re: Only in America

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:24 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:19 am
Scot Dutchy wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:23 am
Retarded country.
At the very least. The world should do everything economically to destroy the place.
Yeah, Vengeance! That always makes things better doesn't it?
Why not? He wants to destroy the rest of the world.
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Re: Only in America

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:02 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:24 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:19 am
Scot Dutchy wrote:
pErvinalia wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:23 am
Retarded country.
At the very least. The world should do everything economically to destroy the place.
Yeah, Vengeance! That always makes things better doesn't it?
Why not? He wants to destroy the rest of the world.
OK. What he wants is one thing and what happens is another. And you said the 'place' should be economically destroy, not him. I suggest that you actually wouldn't be happy to see Americans suffering the consequences of economic destruction just to punish him on account of his presumed desire 'to destroy the rest of the world'. And besides, he is neither America or the American people. Vengeance is a poor way to deal with one's own anger.
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Re: Only in America

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:04 am

Seabass wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:23 am
Stand your ground!
Gunman in parking space shooting not charged because of 'Stand Your Ground' law
https://abcnews.go.com/US/gunman-parkin ... d=56715356

A man who was captured on surveillance video fatally shooting another man in Clearwater, Florida, during a parking-spot spat as his young son watched nearby will not be arrested or charged by police, according to Pinellas County Sheriff.

"I don't make the law. I enforce the law," Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference today. "The law in the state of Florida today is that people have a right to stand their ground and have a right to defend themselves when they believe that they are in harm."

The sheriff announced the case will be sent to the state attorney's office for review.

"This will go to the state attorney. Drejka will not be charged [and] will not be arrested by us," Sheriff Gualtieri said. "The state attorney will review it and either he’ll concur or not. And, if he concurs, then there’ll be no charge. Period. If he doesn’t concur, then he’ll make a determination as to what to do with it. And, if he feels like he can overcome that heavy burden at a Stand Your Ground hearing of proving by clear and convincing evidence that Drejka was not entitled to use force in this circumstance, then that’s the state attorney’s determination to make."

According to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, around 3:28 p.m. Thursday, Britany Jacobs, 24, was sitting in her car in a handicapped parking space outside a Circle A Food Store while her boyfriend Markeis McGlockton, 28, and their son Markeis McGlockton Jr., 5, went into the store.

While the father and son were in the store, Jacobs was approached by Michael Drejka, 47, police said. The two then got into an argument because of where Jacobs was parked, according to police.

"According to witnesses, McGlockton exited the store and walked over to Drejka who was still arguing with Jacobs in the parking lot. Witnesses say McGlockton forcibly pushed Drejka causing Drejka to fall to the ground. Witnesses told detectives that Drejka was on the ground when he took out a handgun and fired one single round at McGlockton striking him in the chest," police said in a statement.

In surveillance video released by the convenience store, a man identified as McGlockton can be seen pushing Drejka to the ground. Drejka then raises his hand, which appears to be holding a gun, and shoots McGlockton. McGlockton goes back inside the store where Markeis Jr. is standing.

In surveillance footage taken from inside the store, McGlockton can be seen falling to the ground in front of his son. Moments later, Jacobs rushes into the store, tries to help McGlockton and then begins to make a call on her cell.

"Several witnesses called 911 as the incident unfolded. When deputies arrived, Drejka was cooperative with deputies. Drejka told deputies he placed his firearm in his Toyota 4-Runner prior to their arrival," police said.

McGlockton was transported to a hospital for life-threatening injuries but was pronounced dead about 4:04 p.m. Thursday, according to authorities.

"[It's] sad to see [McGlockton] die in front of his son. ... For a parking lot [space.] For a stupid reason. Just to argue, just to find someone to argue with,” said store owner Ali Selous, who told ABC News affiliate WFTS-TV that McGlockton was in the store buying candy for Markeis Jr.

Deputies transported Drejka to the North District Station to be interviewed by detectives, who also took possession of Drejka's handgun. Drejka had a valid Florida concealed weapons license, police said.

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which was enacted in 2005, allows residents to use force, including deadly force, if they "reasonably believe" they are at risk of death or great bodily harm. The law specifies that people have "no duty to retreat" from their homes or vehicles if they feel threatened.
I thought this law only applied if the shooter was white and the victim black. :shifty:
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Re: Only in America

Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:09 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:04 am
I thought this law only applied if the shooter was white and the victim black. :shifty:
The man who stood his ground:




The man he stood his ground against:



So, yeah, AOK.

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