Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Sat Dec 31, 2022 2:23 pm

The major war of the colonizing era was the 7-year war. There is little on the Asian side, but there were some French British battles on the Eeast coast of India, including the French navy. This marked the exit of France from India. To then focus on Indochina.



India is covered from 8:50 on

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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:13 pm

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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:57 pm

I have been looking at thigs Asian for a year or so. Koreans, a bit of SE Asia. I had never come across the term mandarin for bureaucrat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_(bureaucrat)
It is of Portuguese origin, referring to the Chinese bureaucrats they had to deal with in the few ports that allowed trade with China.
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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:52 pm

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Have gone through dozens of books that all have something on it. But I am getting the overall message that colonial holdings became more expensive to keep after 1850. Despite all the coal that was available for steam ships! One of the PP slides on two talks that are now shaping up as something for the September class.
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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:04 pm

Interesting. I wonder if there's a version that is to actual geographic scale?
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Post by Tero » Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:26 pm

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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:53 pm

It's just that the countries of the Northern Hemisphere are always bloated in size on those world maps. Something like this would actually throw into stark relief how such relatively small nations in Europe ended up controlling such a huge amount of the world's land masses - and the people on it.
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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:04 pm

My DVDs are coming today. If the speaker is any good, we will spend about 4 days on the new world part of the colonial era. Two days will have to wrap up Asia and Africa is only covered in the slave trade.
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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:55 am

I'm a little early doing this as the class won't be till September. But anyway, continuing my woke/"white men behaving badly" history project, had to dig deep to find how Pizarro got to Peru. He walked/rode across Panama. Then bought 3 ships built by the Spanish right there.
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Bigger picture of the Pizarro trips. All started from Panama. The city the Spanish had built to gather "gold" on that side.
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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:05 pm

One of my books brings up a good point about slavery. The book is on trade so his explanation deals with that. The ships had to go back and forth anyway, from the point of view of the shipping outfits, there was nothing else to trade for the goods in the new world.

My slide, still checking it for facts, list this:
IF THE TRIP WAS SO RISKY (DISEASE, PIRATES, REBELLIONS, SHIPWRECKS), WHY BOTHER TO SHIP THE SLAVES TO COLONIES IN THE NEW WORLD, WHY NOT JUST COLONIZE AFRICA?

TAKING OVER LANDS IN THE NEW WORLD WAS EASIER BECAUSE DISEASE KILLED THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE
AFRICA REQUIRED A MAJOR FORCE TO GO FAR INLAND, WHEREAS CENTRAL AMERICA WAS RATHER NARROW. BRAZIL WAS CLOSER TO AFRICA IN SIZE
TAKING A LOT OF TROOPS BY SEA WAS COSTLY. IT WAS ALSO COSTLY TO KEEP THEM IN AFRICA.
AFRICA WAS COLONIZED LATE, WITH STEAM SHIPS. THE COASTS AND SOUTH AFRICA WERE TAKEN EARLIER TO ALLOW TRADE TO ASIA.
WIKIPEDIA: Studies of colonizing Africa usually focus on the European conquests of the New Imperialism and the Scramble for Africa (1884-1914) era.
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And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:28 pm

The ever practical women.
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Just marry the conquistadors, have a bunch of children. Sooner or later you inherited all their loot. If nothing else, malaria would get them.
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
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Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:41 pm

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Re: Age of exploration, about 1500-1800s

Post by Tero » Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:29 pm

I have pretty much al the material for my "exploration/colonial" class. I have to say the DVD lectures are not quite as well, engagingly, presented as the Korea lectures were. But there was no issue in speaker quality, Korea just did not interest my seniors. I did tack on a Korean war as a TV documentary at the end. The war is pretty much all most Americans want to know.
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Said Peter...what you're requesting just isn't my bag
Said Daemon, who's sorry too, but y'see we didn't have no choice
And our hands they are many and we'd be of one voice
We've come all the way from Wigan to get up and state
Our case for survival before it's too late

Turn stone to bread, said Daemon Duncetan
Turn stone to bread right away...

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