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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by Cunt » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:20 pm

Seabass wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:12 pm
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American and European culture was very racist up until about 50-60 years ago, and it was a rather precipitous change since then.
American culture is still very racist, as is evident from the motherfucker we put in the White House.
Which countries are most, and least 'racist'?

I'm just trying to get a handle on what you mean by 'very'...seems arbitrary and reflexive the way you wrote it.
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Post by Tero » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:46 pm

Seabass wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:55 pm
"It seems to me that America is incredibly well branded as a country."


Wtf? We're the most hated country on earth, known for slavery, genocide, and perpetual warfare, and everyone thinks we're stupid, fat, and racist and have terrible cheeses, beers, movies, music, comedy, etc. What the devil is she talking about, "well branded"?!
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When reverse tu quoque fails. :lol:
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Re: America's History Fibs

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Cunt wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:20 pm
Seabass wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:12 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:40 pm
American and European culture was very racist up until about 50-60 years ago, and it was a rather precipitous change since then.
American culture is still very racist, as is evident from the motherfucker we put in the White House.
Which countries are most, and least 'racist'?

I'm just trying to get a handle on what you mean by 'very'...seems arbitrary and reflexive the way you wrote it.
Does the way 42 wrote 'very' seem arbitrary and reflexive?
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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by Cunt » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 pm

A bit.

But I asked you because I thought you might mean that America was more racist than Europe. Or the US was more racist than other countries. Either way, I would wonder what measure would be acceptable.
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Post by Seabass » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:44 pm

I didn't mention racism in other countries. You asked me because you were taking sides. It's fine, just admit.
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Re: America's History Fibs

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Seabass wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:12 pm
Forty Two wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:40 pm
American and European culture was very racist up until about 50-60 years ago, and it was a rather precipitous change since then.
American culture is still very racist, as is evident from the motherfucker we put in the White House.
You are the one claiming one culture is 'very racist'. You go so far as to base it on your claim that the current President is racist.

I get that you don't have a real measure to your outrage. It's probably because all you have is outrage.

You sound angry, and more than a little incoherent about him. It's ok. You are VERY convincing. We are all going to be convinced by your personal offense.

ANY time now.
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Seabass wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:33 pm
You are a Republican. You are a conservative, right-wing Republican. You are part of sickness that must be cured for the sake of humanity.
Seabass in the quote above makes me ashamed to be associated with the political left.

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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by Cunt » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:57 pm

Back to the distortions of America's history, I think it's odd how I didn't know the bit I learned recently. It's the kind of fact I could have guessed, even should have, but it never really occurred to me this way.

If you consider the 'cost' of winning WWII in soldiers spent, Russia (among several others) spent MUCH more than the USA.

I simply never thought of it in terms of 'weight' of contribution. The US really didn't get involved. USSR lost 20 times the people.

I know they were 'spending' them differently, but that doesn't exactly take away from the horror for me.

I was listening to a podcast, where Michael Shermer said that he was in Russia, and they tought WW2 differently, teaching their kids that Russia eliminated the Nazi's from Europe and it's damned hard to argue otherwise.
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Seabass wrote:
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You are a Republican. You are a conservative, right-wing Republican. You are part of sickness that must be cured for the sake of humanity.
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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by Seabass » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:17 am

You only recently found out that the Ruskies suffered more casualties than the Merkins? So you're historically illiterate. Explains a lot...
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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by laklak » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:46 am

Yeah but we had John Wayne.

The U.S. primary theater of war was the Pacific.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by JimC » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:45 am

Seabass wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:55 pm
"It seems to me that America is incredibly well branded as a country."


Wtf? We're the most hated country on earth, known for slavery, genocide, and perpetual warfare, and everyone thinks we're stupid, fat, and racist and have terrible cheeses, beers, movies, music, comedy, etc. What the devil is she talking about, "well branded"?!
C'mon, Seabass, you ain't that bad!

I mean almost, but not quite... :tea:
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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by Cunt » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:48 am

Seabass wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:17 am
You only recently found out that the Ruskies suffered more casualties than the Merkins? So you're historically illiterate. Explains a lot...
I'll accept the historical illiterate label, but it's worse than that.

I would have answered correctly, if asked. It's not that I didn't know it, it's that I accepted another 'story' anyway.

I put story in scare quotes because it isn't a story per se, but the collection of movies, books and discussions around me which featured the American's as heroes, and the Russians barely at all.

I guess I'm saying that I DID know better, but was 'using' the fake version anyway.
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You are a Republican. You are a conservative, right-wing Republican. You are part of sickness that must be cured for the sake of humanity.
Seabass in the quote above makes me ashamed to be associated with the political left.

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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:46 am

Cunt wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:57 pm
Back to the distortions of America's history, I think it's odd how I didn't know the bit I learned recently. It's the kind of fact I could have guessed, even should have, but it never really occurred to me this way.

If you consider the 'cost' of winning WWII in soldiers spent, Russia (among several others) spent MUCH more than the USA.

I simply never thought of it in terms of 'weight' of contribution. The US really didn't get involved. USSR lost 20 times the people.

I know they were 'spending' them differently, but that doesn't exactly take away from the horror for me.

I was listening to a podcast, where Michael Shermer said that he was in Russia, and they tought WW2 differently, teaching their kids that Russia eliminated the Nazi's from Europe and it's damned hard to argue otherwise.
Not only did the Russians bear the brunt of German aggression, they also inflicted by far the most damage to the Wehrmacht. Figures are bound to be somewhat rubbery. All sides always overstate the damage they inflict on the enemy and underdeclare the damage they suffered. Nevertheless, analyses of extant records have resulted in numbers that can be regarded as reasonably accurate with significant confidence. The best work appears to have been done in a statistical study by Rüdiger Overmans, which began in 1992 and was published in 2000. In addition to the usual records, it benefited from tons of documents that were declassified in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The study confirmed, in short, that 80% of Germany's soldiers that were killed, went missing in action or became prisoners of war, did so while fighting Russian troops.

It is quite possibly true that without material supplies sent primarily by the USA, the USSR's forces may have been driven back east of the Ural mountains, which made such help of vital importance, but overall the Russian effort dwarfs that of its western allies in human as well as material terms. Germany had lost the war three months after Project Barbarossa began, before its advance was stopped in Stalingrad and outside Moscow. First it stuck in the autumn mud, then it started its retreat when faced with counter-attacks in the snow.

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Post by JimC » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:52 am

To that, you need to add the effect of both the western sea blockade of Europe, and the joint US/UK bombing campaign, which, at least by '44, was biting deep into the German capacity to produce synthetic rubber and oil, to name only 2 vital resources...
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Re: America's History Fibs

Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:18 am

JimC wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:52 am
To that, you need to add the effect of both the western sea blockade of Europe, and the joint US/UK bombing campaign, which, at least by '44, was biting deep into the German capacity to produce synthetic rubber and oil, to name only 2 vital resources...
In the context of what our member from Yellowknife posted about WWII we need to add exactly nothing whatsoever, Jocka. The bottom line is that 80% of German soldiers that were killed, went missing in action or became prisoners of war, did so at the hands of the red army.

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