Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

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Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:58 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18373149

Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

Until now the Peasants' Revolt of 1381 is largely believed to have been led by a mob of rebel men, but new research shows women played an important role in orchestrating violence against the government.

Today people are used to the idea of women being in the military. Some are already pressing for the right to fight on the front line.

And women fighting as insurgents has been a fact of conflicts from Vietnam to Sri Lanka.

But there's a growing feeling historians have overlooked their role in medieval rebellions like 1381's Peasants Revolt.

On 14 June 1381, rebels dragged Lord Chancellor Simon of Sudbury from the Tower of London and brutally beheaded him. Outraged by his hated poll tax, the insurgents had stormed into London looking for him, plundering and burning buildings as they went.

It was the leader of the group who arrested Sudbury and dragged him to the chopping block, ordering that he be beheaded.

Her name was Johanna Ferrour.

In court documents she was described as "chief perpetrator and leader of rebellious evildoers from Kent". She also ordered the death of the treasurer, Robert Hales.

As well as leading the rebels into London, she was charged with burning the Savoy Palace - the grandest townhouse in London at the time - and stealing a chest of gold from a duke.

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Re: Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

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Re: Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

Post by Pappa » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:03 pm

Also, they weren't peasants. Generally the people who took part were those with trades.

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Re: Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:11 pm

Pappa wrote:Also, they weren't peasants. Generally the people who took part were those with trades.
Yeah, peasants would have gone for the turnips rather than the gold according Blackadder. :food:
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Post by kiki5711 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:12 pm

women always ruled the world, it's just that men would not allow it to be known.

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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:17 pm

kiki5711 wrote:women always ruled the world, it's just that men would not allow it to be known.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:39 pm

Face in, Matey! :naughty:
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Post by kiki5711 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:46 pm

Buttercup Murphy wrote:Face in, Matey! :naughty:
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Post by Jason » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:50 pm

Gilbert and Sullivan anyone?

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Post by FBM » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:10 pm

I've never fully understood why people think men run the world. Bull dookie. :roll:
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Post by Tyrannical » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:57 pm

Evolution and behavioral genetics of course has the answer.

It was in a women's best interest in regards to furthering her genetic line to be taken as spoils of war. Men were not so (un)lucky. You can even test that theory by examining mitochondrial DNA inherited solely from women versus Y chromosomes inherited from conquering men.

Miscegenation is a two bladed sword how ever, the advantages of local disease resistance is countered by lessening other genetic advantages that the conquering people had that allowed their conquest. One of the theories that led to the down fall of Portugal and Spain as a World power was dilution of their gene pool through acquiring foreign wives.
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Re: Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

Post by Pappa » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:01 pm

Tyrannical wrote:One of the theories that led to the down fall of Portugal and Spain as a World power was dilution of their gene pool through acquiring foreign wives.
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Oh man, I love that. Who's theories plz.... I'd love to read the wiki on that.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:13 pm

kiki5711 wrote:
Buttercup Murphy wrote:Face in, Matey! :naughty:
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The post count should give it away. :tup:
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Re: Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

Post by kiki5711 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:14 pm

Buttercup Murphy wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:
Buttercup Murphy wrote:Face in, Matey! :naughty:
iz dat yu zilla? you're a buttercup now? :hehe: :hehe:
The post count should give it away. :tup:
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Re: Peasants' Revolt: The time when women took up arms

Post by Hermit » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:24 am

Tyrannical wrote:One of the theories that led to the down fall of Portugal and Spain as a World power was dilution of their gene pool through acquiring foreign wives.
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