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Re: Wrong?...or right?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:21 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:I give up. I'm going to bed. Someone else explain it to him.
I understand what you're saying, but you are having trouble with my end. That's yours to fix.
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Post by DaveD » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:24 pm

When most people could only use black & white film, colour being unavailable or prohibitively expensive, they would often pay the photographer to hand tint their photos, or even buy the tints and do it themselves. The computer makes this kind of thing better, easier and cheaper. Most importantly it's non-destructive so, if the resulting colour image isn't to your liking, you still have the original black & white (or sepia or whatever).
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:25 pm

DaveD wrote:When most people could only use black & white film, colour being unavailable or prohibitively expensive, they would often pay the photographer to hand tint their photos, or even buy the tints and do it themselves. The computer makes this kind of thing better, easier and cheaper. Most importantly it's non-destructive so, if the resulting colour image isn't to your liking, you still have the original black & white (or sepia or whatever).
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Post by DaveD » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:30 pm

I should add that by "better" I meant more natural and accurate. Those hand-tinted photos like that postcard have a charm of their own, and a place in history. I've recoloured a few hand-tinted family photos, and I prefer my versions, but I still have the originals and wouldn't want to lose them.
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:42 pm

A few days ago, I came across an old b+w photo of my father in RAF uniform - on the back it had pencilled notes made by the photographer as to what colours things like the tunic, the plane in the background, etc. were. :)
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Post by Red Celt » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:57 pm

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rEvolutionist wrote:I give up. I'm going to bed. Someone else explain it to him.
I understand what you're saying, but you are having trouble with my end. That's yours to fix.
I understand what both of you are saying.

rEv, you're wrong. A B&W photo isn't an interpretation. It's a recording, albeit a "limited" one. Just because we see things in colour and the photo was B&W... it doesn't make it an interpretation of the event.

Else photographs of dog history would be recorded without "interpretation", seeing as how they only see in B&W.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:26 pm

DaveD wrote:I should add that by "better" I meant more natural and accurate. Those hand-tinted photos like that postcard have a charm of their own, and a place in history. I've recoloured a few hand-tinted family photos, and I prefer my versions, but I still have the originals and wouldn't want to lose them.
I found them handy in illustrating why zouaves made such easy targets for guys in feldgrau uniforms.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:29 pm

By request. These are zouaves.

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Post by Cormac » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:06 pm

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Cormac wrote:I thought for a moment it might have been the aftermath of Little Big Horn. (An ancestor of mine died there - Captain Myles Keogh).
Don't think there were any photogs near the area. The expedition was photographed at the outset, but nothing later that I know of.

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Post by Jason » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:26 pm

I do not approve. Absent well detailed reports of what people were wearing, what colour the sky was, what shade of green the grass was, the colour of the ground, the complexion, hair, and eye, colours of each person, etc.. it is not more accurate. It's a fanciful tint. History is shades of grey not technicolor. :sulk:

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Post by Audley Strange » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:53 pm

PordFrefect wrote:I do not approve. Absent well detailed reports of what people were wearing, what colour the sky was, what shade of green the grass was, the colour of the ground, the complexion, hair, and eye, colours of each person, etc.. it is not more accurate. It's a fanciful tint. History is shades of grey not technicolor. :sulk:
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Post by Red Celt » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:57 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:I do not approve. Absent well detailed reports of what people were wearing, what colour the sky was, what shade of green the grass was, the colour of the ground, the complexion, hair, and eye, colours of each person, etc.. it is not more accurate. It's a fanciful tint. History is shades of grey not technicolor. :sulk:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:58 pm

Okay, reality is in color, and there are things that need color to make sense, like the Tuskegee Airmen's nickname. As long as they don't change reality I'm fine with it.
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Red Celt wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:I do not approve. Absent well detailed reports of what people were wearing, what colour the sky was, what shade of green the grass was, the colour of the ground, the complexion, hair, and eye, colours of each person, etc.. it is not more accurate. It's a fanciful tint. History is shades of grey not technicolor. :sulk:
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