Insurrection!

[Robert_S]

I have heard that those many of those Iranians who helped overthrow the Shaw were unpleasantly surprised with the theocracy they ended up with.

[JimC]

At what point does it become the duty of a free-born citizenry to rise up against a "democratically" elected government turned tyrannical enemy of the people?

Just askin'......

I will treat this very seriously indeed...

It would need to be truly extreme. Some points:

* You have put democratically in inverted commas. Is this mere hyperbole, or are you implying a situation of a corruptly rigged election? If so, has the government put in place measures which prevent exposing and dealing with this, such as nobbling an independent judiciary or a free press?

* Are there tanks in the street? Have opposition leaders been imprisoned? Have the tyrannical new government overturned the normal checks and balances, and made it clear that elections will be indefinitely postponed?

* When you speak of people rising up, do you mean it is the desire of a clear majority of the people, or a minority of egotistical fanatics, determined to be a "vanguard of the people", whether they want it or not...

If you are referring to the current situation in the UK, then protest, lobby, agitate, even foment civil disobedience if the issue seems to demand it, but let's not get caught up in the romantic rhetoric of the left, and turn down the path which inexorably leads to either extreme polarisation and a military crack-down, or a sucessful revolution, and the inevitable show trials and executions of "enemies of the people"...

[stripes4]

At what point does it become the duty of a free-born citizenry to rise up against a "democratically" elected government turned tyrannical enemy of the people?

Just askin'......

I will treat this very seriously indeed...

It would need to be truly extreme. Some points:

* You have put democratically in inverted commas. Is this mere hyperbole, or are you implying a situation of a corruptly rigged election? If so, has the government put in place measures which prevent exposing and dealing with this, such as nobbling an independent judiciary or a free press?

* Are there tanks in the street? Have opposition leaders been imprisoned? Have the tyrannical new government overturned the normal checks and balances, and made it clear that elections will be indefinitely postponed?

* When you speak of people rising up, do you mean it is the desire of a clear majority of the people, or a minority of egotistical fanatics, determined to be a "vanguard of the people", whether they want it or not...

If you are referring to the current situation in the UK, then protest, lobby, agitate, even foment civil disobedience if the issue seems to demand it, but let's not get caught up in the romantic rhetoric of the left, and turn down the path which inexorably leads to either extreme polarisation and a military crack-down, or a sucessful revolution, and the inevitable show trials and executions of "enemies of the people"...

[Clinton Huxley]

I was thinking more on the lines of civil disobedience than civil war. For example, when New Tory were thinking of implementing ID cards, it occurred to me that if 10 or 100 or 10,000 refused to have one, the policy would still go ahead. If a million said "no" the policy would be dead. So it's more civil non-cooperation than, say, stringing the lib dems up from lamp posts.

[stripes4]

I was thinking more on the lines of civil disobedience than civil war. For example, when New Tory were thinking of implementing ID cards, it occurred to me that if 10 or 100 or 10,000 refused to have one, the policy would still go ahead. If a million said "no" the policy would be dead. So it's more civil non-cooperation than, say, stringing the lib dems up from lamp posts.

Oh don't spoil the argument by being all bloody reasonable.

[electricwhiteboy]

Well you can call it an act of mutiny, or cowardice, or anarchy, but I finally realised my enemy are the bastards in authority. I got more in common with the bugger on my bayonet than the toff who's telling me to stick it in his guts.

[Clinton Huxley]

I reserve the right to foment bloody revolution, though. When a political elite considers itself above the law, enacts policies that destroy the poor, indeed treats them like criminals and generally ravages the nation in it's own self interest, all within a system of phoney democracy, then something has to give

[stripes4]

grumpy. Have you got an ickle hangover?

[GrahamH]

I reserve the right to foment bloody revolution, though. When a political elite considers itself above the law, enacts policies that destroy the poor, indeed treats them like criminals and generally ravages the nation in it's own self interest, all within a system of phoney democracy, then something has to give

It won't be this government that gives.

[Clinton Huxley]

The as good as dead hand of Thatcher spreads across the land...

[Robert_S]

I was thinking more on the lines of civil disobedience than civil war. For example, when New Tory were thinking of implementing ID cards, it occurred to me that if 10 or 100 or 10,000 refused to have one, the policy would still go ahead. If a million said "no" the policy would be dead. So it's more civil non-cooperation than, say, stringing the lib dems up from lamp posts.

Right, string the lib-dems up afterwards? Just a little?

[Clinton Huxley]

I was thinking more on the lines of civil disobedience than civil war. For example, when New Tory were thinking of implementing ID cards, it occurred to me that if 10 or 100 or 10,000 refused to have one, the policy would still go ahead. If a million said "no" the policy would be dead. So it's more civil non-cooperation than, say, stringing the lib dems up from lamp posts.

Right, string the lib-dems up afterwards? Just a little?

Well, let's not rule it out just yet

[Clinton Huxley]

And now, apparently, defence manufacturers are liaising with police forces to provide new armoured vehicles and unmanned drones. Welcome to police state Britain..

[Feck]

I was thinking more on the lines of civil disobedience than civil war. For example, when New Tory were thinking of implementing ID cards, it occurred to me that if 10 or 100 or 10,000 refused to have one, the policy would still go ahead. If a million said "no" the policy would be dead. So it's more civil non-cooperation than, say, stringing the lib dems up from lamp posts.

They were planning to use your left pinkie finger print on the Id cards ......Good luck with that yah bastards

[Clinton Huxley]

That right, Feck? Why should the Yakuza get off?