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by spinoza99
Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:32 pm
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: the weak antropic principle
Replies: 37
Views: 1484

Re: the weak antropic principle

The weak anthropic principle is just a truism that carries no meaning whatsoever.... and certainly has nothing to say about whether the universe was designed. Agreed, but try telling that to Lawrence Krauss. The strong anthropic principle is another story, but only retarded people take it seriously...
by spinoza99
Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:30 pm
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: the weak antropic principle
Replies: 37
Views: 1484

Re: the weak antropic principle

I don't know if he has some other argument. Here is a quote from him. A megaverse of such diversity is unlikely to support intelligent life anywhere but in a tiny fraction of its expanse. According to this view, many questions such as, “Why is a certain constant of nature one number, instead of ano...
by spinoza99
Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:35 pm
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: the weak antropic principle
Replies: 37
Views: 1484

Re: the weak antropic principle

So you agree with me that Susskind does not have an argument.
by spinoza99
Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:45 pm
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: the weak antropic principle
Replies: 37
Views: 1484

Re: the weak antropic principle

Oh, Susskind is making that argument, sure. I meant that nobody who argues against the "fine tuning" argument makes the argument Susskind is making. He's creating a false logic, one that I've heard nobody but him advance. And, based on what you've set forth above, the conclusion "5" is just as prop...
by spinoza99
Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:20 pm
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: the weak antropic principle
Replies: 37
Views: 1484

Re: the weak antropic principle

Leonard Susskind arguest in the Cosmic Landscape paraphrasing: The evidence for fine-tuning is so overwhelming that many are lead to believe that the universe must be designed. He responds with a parable. He imagines fish debating the meaning of the fine-tuning of the temperature of the water. He c...
by spinoza99
Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:29 pm
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: the weak antropic principle
Replies: 37
Views: 1484

the weak antropic principle

Leonard Susskind arguest in the Cosmic Landscape paraphrasing: The evidence for fine-tuning is so overwhelming that many are lead to believe that the universe must be designed. He responds with a parable. He imagines fish debating the meaning of the fine-tuning of the temperature of the water. He ca...
by spinoza99
Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:15 am
Forum: Evilution
Topic: the second edition of the origin of species
Replies: 46
Views: 20771

Re: the second edition of the origin of species

Clinton Huxley wrote:Spinoza needs to beefhave himself...
Now that's funny. I like that one.
by spinoza99
Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:57 pm
Forum: Evilution
Topic: the second edition of the origin of species
Replies: 46
Views: 20771

the second edition of the origin of species

this is from John Avise's book the Case for Non-intelligent design in the second edition of The Origin of Species, Darwin mentioned God explicitly in the concluding paragraph: There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few f...
by spinoza99
Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:49 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: life has intrinsic value
Replies: 3
Views: 493

life has intrinsic value

If life had no intrinsic value then we wouldn't be here. If we viewed life with the same value as, say, card board, or a useless byproduct, then we would not think twice when one killed another. It is in our nature to view life has intrinsically more valuable than other things. Life does not acquire...
by spinoza99
Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:52 am
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: chance
Replies: 142
Views: 4453

Re: chance

The universe is how it is and NEITHER of us can say why that should be - only that it is. There is no reason why the Lambda constant can not be different. It is as large as a 1 followed by 120 zeroes. If it's off by one then we're dead. That constant was fine-tuned with us in mind. And the odds of ...
by spinoza99
Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:49 am
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: chance
Replies: 142
Views: 4453

Re: chance

It's true that natural processes did the great majority of the word, but your father's intelligence was needed. Also your mother needed the intelligence in order to take off her clothes, among other things. It take intelligence to take off clothes. And, you consider that proof that the universe had...
by spinoza99
Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:41 am
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: chance
Replies: 142
Views: 4453

Re: chance

What's your evidence that your god is unordered or immaterial? What's the proof for your claim? It's just an assumption that fits your believe. Order applies to material objects, not immaterial. You can't order immaterial because there is nothing to order. That immaterial beings exist is logically ...
by spinoza99
Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:38 am
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: chance
Replies: 142
Views: 4453

Re: chance

If you think the evidence for the Big Bang is 'fine-tuning', however ludicrous this is, and therefore there has to be a creator because this cannot exist from chance (or unintentionally), how come you believe the creator was created by chance? Surely, something so intelligent to design the universe...
by spinoza99
Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:29 am
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: chance
Replies: 142
Views: 4453

Re: chance

You're asking the wrong question. There is no such evidence that would convince anyone, no matter how large or small the numbers. All you are saying is that the universe is exactly the kind of a universe in which we can live - well no shit, Sherlock - we already know that because it happens to be e...
by spinoza99
Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:19 am
Forum: Atheism & Religion
Topic: chance
Replies: 142
Views: 4453

Re: chance

No. Your god, maybe, but not all gods. Everyone agrees that THE God is what created the universe. Others try to add on properties to this one fact, but they're wrong. The mistake theists almost invariably make is pretending that their god is the only god out there. True, many theists make that mist...