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by Kenny Login
Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:42 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

No, Kenny. A question of ontology is brought up by metaphysicians, while metaphysicians have yet to show that ontologic questions lead anywhere except up the poop chute of wibbling. No. You may consciously find the thought of spending a Sunday afternoon discussing ontology repugnant, but sub- and p...
by Kenny Login
Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:15 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

The empirical model entails an ontology because it speaks of a reality where brains interact with empirical objects. But the reality of the situation, is that the brain is just responding to its own internal states. You're right about an ontology being entailed. (NB: Scientists please note - entail...
by Kenny Login
Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:37 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

many people are interested enough in the fiction to devote rather a lot of personal and professional time to investigating these things Yes, and they're known as "literary critics", Kenny. If you want to be a critic, try to stay on the same page as they are. That's right. And also psychologists, co...
by Kenny Login
Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:12 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

In very short order, we will see that you are asking the neuroscientists to bring you back the golden fleece of "one to one" correspondence, whereas, if you had an understanding of neuroscience, you would not even be asking that at this stage. If James is doing that, it would indeed be a mistake. N...
by Kenny Login
Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:31 am
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

'In the gap between subject and object lies the entire misery of humankind.'

J. Krishnamurti

(What a lovely man.)
by Kenny Login
Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:38 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

Also interesting is the physical role of the pineal gland and the secretion of melatonin and regulating light. And it's parallel function in religious and esoteric practice, regulating 'other' types of light. That is interesting. What do you know about this? I don't have any info on this. Well the ...
by Kenny Login
Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:33 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

I can see we will need to have a definition of what 'subjective observer' means in order to keep some focus (I thought it was obvious enough). We humans 'have subjective experiences' where it seems 'I observe the world and my thoughts and experience qualia'. We assume this is the case for all human...
by Kenny Login
Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:23 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

There is a tight relationship between Bat Shit Crazy and religious experiences. Indeed there is. There are areas in the temporal lobes and anterior cingulate that act as our gyroscopes and inform us about who and where we are. As we take on life's baggage we have higher order associations (beliefs,...
by Kenny Login
Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:12 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

Perhaps I wan't sufficiently clear. I don't mean the subjective self is misunderstood by a real subjective observer, I mean there is no subjective observer, but there is non-subjective 'knowledge' of an 'I'. This non-subjective knowledge being brain states that influence brain behaviour such that t...
by Kenny Login
Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:58 am
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

I have to agree with jamest in the respect that other models - psychological, psychoanalytic, sociological etc etc are sometimes more informative and better at mapping the territory. Especially when dealing with non-ordinary states of mind or psychopathology. For example, nothing I have come across ...
by Kenny Login
Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:54 am
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

My interest is in accounting for the fiction. If the fiction can be established there is no 'Subjective Observer' and 'observation' is brain activity. I.e. the brain observes the world, including its own person (but not itself as a brain). Ok, I only asked because the accounting for is not the elim...
by Kenny Login
Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:37 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

GrahamH wrote:'What it does' is not separable from 'what it is'. The structure is the function.
I think there is a lot of merit in this approach generally, although trees and computers being quite different to an observer (fictional or otherwise), it may benefit from a different approach.
by Kenny Login
Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:35 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: The subjective observer is a fictional character
Replies: 572
Views: 22253

Re: The subjective observer is a fictional character

I'm intrigued as to how someone would go about eliminating the observer rather than merely accounting for the fiction? How would scientific knowledge alone do the job? It's hard to imagine a world where neuro/cognitive science has totally superceded folk psychology through advancements in those fiel...
by Kenny Login
Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:20 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: On treeness of Oak1, and other things
Replies: 533
Views: 16740

Re: On treeness of Oak1, and other things

Indeed, the activity of the brain (or activity of the mind) creates these things; thoughts, feelings, stories, descriptions, self images. But thats not the level I am talking about. All these are things of which we are aware to a larger or smaller level, these are objects of awareness, but not the ...
by Kenny Login
Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:37 pm
Forum: General Serious Discussion & Philosophy
Topic: On treeness of Oak1, and other things
Replies: 533
Views: 16740

Re: On treeness of Oak1, and other things

But mathematical proofs are built upon earlier proofs, etc. (it's proofs all the way down) until, in the final analysis, they are built upon axioms which cannot be proven and are merely taken as being self-evident. Here's the stinger. Those axioms are accepted as self-evident because they agree wit...