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by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:12 pm
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

So far, I'm the only one of us who has produced scholarship of any type in this exchange. Scholarship involves mathematical analysis with grpahs and projections. It is a fact that SOAS and SEESS turn out linguists every eyar by traditional methods; where is the comparable person who's gone through ...
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:57 pm
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

We're both entrenched in our positions, and others in this thread have reported experiences that support Krashen's Second Language Acquisition Theory and The Natural Approach. I've got a deadline to meet on this research paper, so I'll end with letting you know that the [url=http://www.lotpublicati...
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:17 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

Yeah, tell me about it. That's one big reason why the have to rely so much on rote memorization and don't have the opportunity to practice or develop creativity. Curiosity is also stamped out of them at an early age. Or nearly so. That reminds me of Peter Ustinov, who said that on his school report...
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:07 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

That's the same here in Korea, but that's only one part of the problem, not the whole diagnosis. The traditional teacher-centered classroom, with 40~50 students per class do not involve the students in producing language, only comprehending it. Without such practice, they never develop the muscle m...
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:03 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

Svartalf wrote:My own take on the problem is that if lack of literacy entails a handicap when living in the culture, then literacy is part and parcel of fluency.
Thank you, mon ami.
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:08 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

Deersbee wrote: Most of the world's languages have no written form, no grammar books and their carriers are illiterate in every sense. But they are fluent nonetheless.
Are you sure about that? The three biggest lkanguages in the world aer Chinese, English, and Spanish, and they all have written systems.
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:13 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

Probably because what you're talking about has nothing to do with language skills, which is what those people are focused on. Look, man. If you've acheived a high performance level by other methods, that says nothing about the value of The Natural Approach to language learners in general. There's m...
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:05 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

FBM wrote:Pausing to think about your message is distinct from pausing due to lack of fluency, innit?
Yes, it is, but the definition given doesn't allow for that.
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:37 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

I notice the definition you've just given excludes pausing to think through what one wants to say succinctly.
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:48 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

In your one field, I suppose, but there is specialized vocabulary for farming, fishing, making noodles, etc. If you stepped outside of your own sphere, I imagine you'd be humbled pretty quickly. Doubtless, but then it's no longer an issue of native/non-native fluency, but of knowledge of specialist...
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:12 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

Gawdzilla wrote:I was thinking of the Dukes of Hazard, actually.
I know nothing about the Dukes of Hazard, sorry.
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:08 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

Gawdzilla wrote:... a cracker?
せんべい?
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:01 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

Imagine meeting an illiterate Japanese person. S/he can converse gobs much better than you, but you can read more than him/her. Which of you has native-speaker "fluency"? If they're that illiterate, they're probably brain damaged. (Japan has a very high literacy rate.) In which case, I'd be able to...
by Kimpatsu
Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:48 am
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

OK, all you Western European speakers, I'll rephrase: Do you honestly consider someone who can speak Japanese but not read it to be fluent? If so, why can't they do my job? Of course s/he's fluent... If not literate. It's elitist to demand literacy. Some languages don't have an orthography, y'know?...
by Kimpatsu
Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:41 pm
Forum: Language, Culture & Anthropology
Topic: Polyglots?
Replies: 152
Views: 7870

Re: Polyglots?

OK, all you Western European speakers, I'll rephrase:
Do you honestly consider someone who can speak Japanese but not read it to be fluent? If so, why can't they do my job?